Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

Aibu?

So all service dogs, then? No police dogs, no guide dogs?

The dog had no collar on, or anything to grab.

I've frequently noticed this as well - no collar, no harness (and probably no identifying microchip either).

Their coats are short and slippery - it is effectively "armour" - it's almost impossible to get a grip on one of these if it is moving. Many also have cropped ears - you can't even grab a lughole!

Because it had a person attached to it?! He would have had to go at it pretty slowly to avoid crushing the blokes leg

We were saying he should have run it over when he got back in the car and the man who was attacked had escaped, and the dog was in the road on its own.

Depends if a toddler can take them on or not.

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https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/24109206.erith-mum-tried-cover-xl-bully-attack-10-year-old-girl/

another absolute nutter

I‘m not a dog person so dont know how true this is but i once read that you should grab both hind legs and lift them off the ground. Apparently it shocks them into letting go/stopping biting and you can drag them away.

God how awful for all the families affected by these dangerous dogs.

Buffypaws · Today 18:40

Hell!

@Thementalloadisreal that's probably a really good technique for most dog breeds. XL bullies seem to keep on going even if they're shot in the head though, it's absolutely extraordinary how much damage they can take and how single-minded they remain during an attack.

This one was just up the road from me, a few years ago:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/12/woman-jailed-dangerous-dog-attacked-12-children-playground-northumberland

Woman jailed after her dog attacked 12 children at playground in Blyth

It doesn't mention that she was banned from having dogs at the time.

Very true, I expect. Terrifying

I've heard this too, but people who have attempted it with these dogs say it isn't effective, particularly if they have a grip on their victim. Apparently they just hang on and shake - and the wounds that can be caused by a dog of this immense power shaking a victim are dreadful.

I've never tried the method myself on any dog, but I think that getting a decent grip on an aggressive, powerful, moving animal would be quite difficult. I think the theory is that when they can't use their hind legs to balance and to push, they will let go.

Like a lot of grand ideas I've seen for separating fighting dogs it sounds like a way to get yourself badly bitten to be honest. Bully breeders use an implement called a "break stick" to prise their jaws apart, but I don't know where you'd get one, and I think you'd also need someone to help you ie hold onto a collar while you broke the grip. And I could see one of these dogs having the strength to pull someone over as they returned to the attack.

I can't even imagine the callousness of someone like this.

It beggars belief!

I know, imagine if it had been a proper big dog? Actually, don't. The owners are almost all self-deluding idiots, like the knacker round the corner from you, who kept his after they ripped his arm off.

I was just wondering the other day if he still has them @SinnerBoy . For quite a while afterwards he still had about 7 od the buggers that he and his idiot girlfriend used to be dragged round the streets by (I am also in the same neck of the woods.). IIRC there was a further attack but I can't recall the circumstances.

Some people are unbelievably stupid!

Emotionalsupportviper · Today 19:05

I was just wondering the other day if he still has them . For quite a while afterwards he still had about 7 od the buggers that he and his idiot girlfriend used to be dragged round the streets by (I am also in the same neck of the woods.). IIRC there was a further attack but I can't recall the circumstances.

I think they were destroyed and he went to prison, after they attacked a woman.

Sadly this isn't 'unusual' when a person is banned...they go out and get another.
Yet another complete feckless person owns a dog that is tenacious and made to be further aggressive by the foolish owner.. she was banned at the time too, like the person who owned the English Bull terrier who attacked her children.

The woman whose photo is shown above...Words fail.

Grabbing a dog by it's hind legs..A Vet surgeon family on mumsnet had their lovely Retriever attacked and killed by an XL Bully.

The Vet is strong plays Rugby, and was incapable of getting the XL off.
It had it's back legs raised, it's testicles twisted, it was hit with wooden stakes, but it wouldn't let go of the innocent dog.

It's a grotesque dog type- very inbred, very short fuse and prone to flipping out of nowhere.

When confronted with these XL's, you realise how phenomenally strong they are.

Throttling the dog is meant to be the only way...as @Emotionalsupportviper says, a ''Break stick'' or wedge shaped lever can be inserted into the back of the dog's jaw..but all easy in theory..much harder in practice.

here...

Not before time.

Interesting video - this dog was not in aggressive mode (it was in "fun" mode, and it was very comfortable with its owner manipulating it) and it was comparatively easy - though not totally straightforward - to insert the break stick - now imagine doing that with a dog twice the size (XLs are BIG), intensely focussed on the victim, twice as strong (at least) as you are and running and shaking its prey at the same time.

"Stretching" that dog out, inserting and using the break stick, wouldn't be anywhere near as easy.

I have seen a nasty fight involving a staffie. It was many years ago - the dog didn't just hold on - it rolled, like an alligator - and ripped a lump out of the other dog. I have never forgotten it. It was horrendous. (And I speak as someone who has had 4 staffies and loves the breed, though I would never have another as there are too many bad breeders around)

You mention the ''Rolling like an Alligator...''
there is a type of Pit /Staffie that has been selected for called 'Gators' because of this hideous trait.

What is wrong with people who create these monstrous mutts.

They have to be deeply insecure and lacking in some way to want to see humans and animals hurt.

https://pawsafe.com/blogs/dog-breeds/gator-pitbull

Even the breeders of these Pits admit it's DNA driven ...Not the ''It's how you raise 'em'' nonsense of the Pitmommy .

"However, you must note that what makes a Gator Pitbull is how connected they are to their fighting ancestors. It’s true that proper training makes a dog, but canines don’t come as a blank slate. A dog’s genetic blueprints heavily influence how they turn out.
Their long-passed fighting days can show up in their behavior in the form of animal aggression and intense personalities. Pits can go from zero to a hundred real quick if triggered, without showing much warning before they retaliate. This somewhat explains their biting stats and why people call them unstable. They have also suffered from being used as “weapon dogs,” a term coined by Simon Harding."

The stupidity of these people is visible to the naked eye.

Ticks every box, doesn't it? Boyfriend with two of these dogs, mother who allegedly has no idea of what they're like, boyfriend threatens her if anything happens to his dog, child attacked and left with serious injuries. Only part I can't understand is how the other girl managed to get the dog away from her friend and outside.