Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

Aibu?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13052339/XL-Bully-attack-mother-children-Battersea-park.html

This was Friday in London.

He didn’t know - WTF! There is no arguing with stupid. He is trying to save himself, absolute twat

He knew, he made posts on social media when the ban was made public he advised there was nothing wrong with the breed and to “save” them

If you have a look at his rapper page in FB the dogs are in his videos.

He had his head in the sand and now he’s killed his mother , he now wants the breed banished 🤯

Yes, that poor puppy...I really feel sorry for that one, trying to escape and the wanker repeatedly pushing him back in.

It's like the same people who breed Gamecocks or Bullfighting bulls - these are selectively bred for their innate aggression.

Spanish bullfighters will spare an especially tenacious Bull, ''Indulto'' {''Pardon''} so the Bull's genetics can be passed down in the hopes of entertaining the crowd in future years.

However, Gamefowl or Bulls aren't generally allowed to be in human communities or homes, like aggressive dogs are, putting people at risk.

The whole thing with fighting animals is grotesque.

Yes, this ‘how they are raised’ is absolute nonsense.

I have a coursing whippet x terrier lurcher and he’s absolutely wonderful but I’m not stupid enough to think for a moment that he won’t chase things because I’ve bought him up well - he even chases leaves blowing in the breeze! His brain is just wired like, he’s what hundred of years of selective breeding have made him.

You cannot out train instinct and anyone that suggests you can is either thick as mince or willfully ignorant.

Two on one, and aggression still continues when one pup is screaming- I've never seen anything like that before.

This is normal puppy play-fighting. If you can't see the difference - well, you need your eyes testing.

Edited to add - Jack Russells are scrappers! But you can see from this that they know how to behave with each other.

now he’s killed his mother , he now wants the breed banished

No.

Now he is going to be held to account, he claims to want the breed banished.

Different thing.

According to this report 40,000 of these dogs have been granted exemptions. That means that 40,000 have owners who are responsible enough to register their dogs, and ensure that they are tattooed, microchipped, neutered and walked only on leash and with a muzzle.

40,000

And how many are there out there with owners like this self-serving, arrogant, ignorant twat?

Edit for spelling. Again.

While those conditions show the owners are at least following the law, I'm still not overly confident.
a) how and who is policing the muzzle on/walk on a leash rule? Even if you called the police they are not going to arrive instantly
b) most attacks happen in private homes, where none of the guidelines apply.

And surprise surprise......another XL Shitbull attack on innocent people.

These things are a blight on society, alongside their crappy owners and apologists

''Don't Bully our Bullies'' ...no, Don't let your vile choice of mutt ruin lives of people who want no part of your nasty aggressive dog type.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13052339/XL-Bully-attack-mother-children-Battersea-park.html

Too right!

I was shocked at he figure of 40,000 - I dread to think how many more are out there, unrecorded, unidentifiable if they attack anyone - and as you say, no dog wears a muzzle at home and even the "good" ones are unreliable.

The family of the owner say it's not the dogs but their living conditions. They were housed in a small chalet.

The grandmother came to look after her son while the father was in London making a music video.

I don't doubt the living conditions exacerbated things, but the dogs themselves are dangerous.

I'll bet they only got walked once in a blue moon as well - and a bored, under-exercised dog of this type is even more dangerous.

That Jack Russell puppy video is a world apart from the XL bully ones, it really emphasises the temperament differences, and JRs are feisty little buggers.

They shouldn't need muzzling in the house. A responsible dog owner would ensure they were never in a position where they felt they needed to attack a stranger or child.

I've lived with a fear-aggressive dog. He came to the rescue I worked for and was deemed unsuitable for re-homing due to aggression so he stayed with me for 15 years. In all that time the only person he ever bit was me and that was my own stupid fault. I left chocolate on the counter and needed to get it off him quickly. There were a million and one ways I could have managed the situation safely but I over-reacted and reacted without thought. Luckily, he was 15 at the time and only had a few teeth left.

Do you know what I never, ever did while he was with me? I never left him alone with a child and an elderly family member. If we had guests and I needed to leave the room the dog came with me. If I needed to go away for the night the dog either came with me or went to kennels experienced in canine aggression.

I would never have left him alone with someone who didn't either know him and his triggers inside out or was qualified in canine behaviour.

We constantly worked on his triggers and his confidence, unfortunately, he had so many triggers it took around 2 years for me to feel he would have been safe to rehome to the right family by which time we were all bonded with him.

Ditto the dog I have now. He is a large breed and stupidly friendly but he's not left alone for even short periods with people who don't know him well or have the confidence and experience to properly manage him.

That's great and all but doesn't really have anything to do with XL's when they have form for escaping from gardens, bursting through fences or escaping out of windows and attacking people to death (Ian Price).

The estimates seem to be between 50-100k American bullies in the UK & I've not delved into the veracity of those figures.

That's a lot of dogs for a breed that's only really been in the UK for a few years.

All the beautiful breeds of dogs in the world (silken windhounds, mudi, Icelandic sheepdogs) that aren't recognised by our Kennel Club that could have been imported & we end up with these antisocial, ugly, useless things.

@Frequency it's not fear aggro these dogs are showing though, it's a prey driven behaviour pattern that's been selectively bred for.

As an addendum to my PP about exemption numbers- what isn't taken into account is that that 40,000 will include bull breed mixes, mastiff mixes, & various established breeds not recognised by the KC such as American bulldogs, alapahas, corsi, presa canario etc.

I am not sure that the figures on the numbers are likely to be accurate, as there isn't a good way of counting

What is clear however is the number of pet dogs shot up since the start of the pandemic. And it seemed as if every other family got a doodlepoo or a cocker spaniel, but at the same time a different type of owner got an XL bully

I read somewhere that there had been more applications for exemptions for XLs than anticipated - over 4,000

The small house definitely wouldn't have made those XL pits be aggressive.. BUT what would have been a massive issue was eight dogs that are incredibly strong not getting enough exercise.

They are almost certainly dangerous with other dogs, and the owner likely wasn't keen on walking much.
He is seen having the 'adults' running around off leash in the videos, but even my friend with their nine small sighthounds has a routine for them all, for their exercise.

She takes out the 'oldies' separately to the youngsters, and because they are ''easy'' she can take out four at once. They don't pull, and walk on slack leads in one hand, leaving the other hand free for poo-bag picking.

Reactive XL Bully types would be a different thing entirely, just by size alone.

I bet those huge dogs got hardly any time out outside that tiny house.

This country is lawless. His illegally owned dangerous dog killed a baby and he was only jailed for 18 weeks back in 2014 and now he’s a dog breeder?!!

He should have been given 10 years minimum and been banned from owning or working with dogs for life. Outrageous that this man is breeding dogs.

He clearly has no remorse and is potentially contributing to the death of more children at the hands of XL bully. I don’t know why clearly unhinged irresponsible people are allowed to carry on in this way and the law only intervenes after a fatality.

I’m not a fan of prison for non-violent crime, but prison sentencing guidelines need to be reviewed urgently in this country for things like manslaughter, murder, assault etc.

We have a fear aggressive dog (springer spaniel). We don't know what happened to her before we got her as a 5-month (approx) pup, but 8 years later she is still terrified of almost everything.

Indoors we behave as you did with your dog.

Keep her out of the way if workmen are in the house; NEVER leave her unattended with visitors of any age: NEVER let children approach her, even to give her a biscuit.

It's a PITA but if she bit someone intentionally, even once, we couldn't keep her, and with the family she is lovely, loving dog (though it took about two years for her to relax with us - she is particularly frightened of women, which is unusual, I think - and would often growl at my DD and myself. We decided to risk it and she's worth it - but it took a long time and I wouldn't trust her with anyone else.)

@Emotionalsupportviper Sounds like your 8 yr old Springer was possibly very poorly 'socialised' at the critical young age where dogs learn not to be afraid of people and things.

A Dog rescue said dogs who have been rescued from hoarder situations where a dog has spent it's crucial early weeks in a bare room are very fearful, as they just haven't experienced stuff and learned by a comforting older dog or human that there is nothing to worry about.

A Whippet in Australia was like this.. terrified of everything..detested women.
He had spent almost 18 months in a shed. {I followed his story over the internet}

A vet suggested euthanasia as he was so fearful and unhappy, but he was reunited with an older female Whippet from the same 'hoarder' situation, and he now lives alongside her.

Still fearful of people, but he isn't aggressive, and lives a much happier life alongside the Whippet ..it's thought she could even have been his mother.

The Daily Mail have come up with this as a 'Defence' against dog attacks.....

Not sure how much use it will be though as attacks happen fast and clear thought can go out of the window by this point.

''Cutting off the airway'' seems to be what Pit owners do in USA. Again, needs clear thought and a suitable noose like device to put around the dog's neck..easier said than done.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13055513/How-defend-XL-Bully-attack-dangerous-dog-expert-advice-banned-breed.html

I think those "what to do in the event of an attack" things vastly underrate the speed of attacks, the strength, power and stability (centre of gravity wise, not psychologically) of the dogs and the human flight/flight/freeze instinct.