Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

Aibu?

@oakleaffy sounds like you are exactly the right sort of owner for your dog.
I had a lurcher once - 3/4 grey and 1/4 STAFFY. He was bought by my then partner as my birthday present off the roughest house in bransholme estate in Hull. He was well socialised and trained, but by nature was the nerviest dog out. He had a long and full life with us and we loved him dearly, but we all know in the wrong hands he would've bitten. We knew when to leave him to it and give him space, and how to interact with him. He was never allowed near children. He was a happy dog when understood!

Absolutely. If one of those dogs set its sights on you, you have no chance. “Offer your leg and choke it by it’s collar” - ffs 🙄

Yep. Jaywick is EXACTLY the sort of place you’d expect to be full of people like the bloke who owned these dogs.

I was surprised to see a post by a well known dog trainer saying she was moved to tears by the video the owner of the dogs made, where he called for the breed to be eradicated.

”He’s a broken man” 🙄

Boo fucking hoo. He chose to own a large breed known to be violent. He chose to BREED from them. I have no sympathy at all.

Why did you capitalise the word 'Staffy'?

😂 @VeterinaryCareAssistant I didn't - my phone did! Pure typo, it attempted to write staffing and I corrected it and didn't notice it had capitalised!

That told YOU off for daring to capitalise a word. 😂
Pit apologist alert 🚨
“ He just wants to play!
Bbbut butt Chihuahuas!
It’s how you raise ‘em
You SNEEZED!
You farted
you MOVED!”

With zero acknowledgment of a dog’s innate drives.

To either herd, chase, or fight.

Sounds like your 8 yr old Springer was possibly very poorly 'socialised' at the critical young age where dogs learn not to be afraid of people and things.

That sounds highly likely @oakleaffy - she was kept in a stable on a piss-stained mattress, and she reeked to high heaven. When we were taking her home in the car she vomited what must have been an entire pound of green-coloured bacon (which smelled rotten, but that could have been the vomit) in a solid lump ie slices not separated.

We suspected that the dogs (she was there with another half grown pup) weren't fed very often and when they were just had rotten food - possibly from skips outside shops - chucked in with them and they had to grab what they could. Both Mr Viper and I wished we could have afforded her sister, too, but she hates our cocker bitch who has been nothing but lovely with her, so could well have been even worse with a sibling.

Of course he is moved to tears - he's going to have the book thrown at him (I hope) and the cowardly bar-steward doesn't want to go to jail.

If that dog-trainer can't see past the crocodile tears she must be an idiot.

Damn right!

And what if the dog hasn't got a collar?

And how many of us have the strength (even if we had the presence of mind) to twist a collar hard enough to choke a dog with that much power and a neck the same size as the average woman's waist?

And how many of us would be able to remain upright under the sheer force of such an attack (even suppose we had a handy wall, as in the illustration)? And frankly, with a dog like that, once you are on the ground you are dead. The chances of getting up again are remote.

I have seen people recommending that you push your fist down the dog's throat to choke it. - (yeah, right) and someone on a previous thread some times ago claimed that her DH had done this when attacked by one of these dogs. I have to admit I was sceptical.

Lifting their back legs off the ground is another "popular" method - it might work with some dogs, but the sheer size and tenacity of these make me doubt it would work here. Also - what if the dog then left its previous victim and attacked you? where would that leave either of you? (In fairness, they tend to fixate on a single victim)

Unless you are SAS, I think you'd be on a hiding to nothing, thought the coat thing might provide enough of a distraction to let you escape if you were quick and could get indoors.

This shows how these large pits ''Redirect'' and the amount of blows they can withstand...

It's a long video....but shows the reality.
{the man lives, thank merciful God}

That poor man just doing his job. Thank god he survived. Terrifying how much abuse the thing can take, bashed till it can't walk but just gathers itself and scopes around of the next victim. Honestly like a creature from a horror film.

Horrendous. Beeping at the dog did nothing. That guy should've driven at it rather than sitting there and filming/honking whilst the postman was getting attacked.

He came to the rescue in the end, mind. The guy who appeared to own the dog just looked and sounded terrified of it as it rounded on him when he walked away with it. So much so, that he just let go of it and ran away screaming, so the dog could go off and attack someone else. Madness. I hope that dog was PTS (humanely) for everyone's sake, including its own.

The guy in the car was not impressed with him! Some choice language there, I don't blame him after risking his own life.

No, I don't blame him either. It looks like the older lady (with the broom) and the owner of the dog live together, as they both go into the same house. I wonder what happened after the camera stopped rolling. The owner has absolved himself of responsibility and is inside the house. The dog is injured, has adrenaline racing following an attack and is just roaming the streets. It sounded like the emergency services had been called (by the guy in the car) but we don't see them arrive.

They should have run it over. I appreciate that is easy for me to say though, for most normal decent humans it's hard to overcome an antipathy to violence.

No I'm with you. Driving at it in the first instance would've stopped all the stuff after. Obviously there was a man attached to one end of the dog though, so you have to be careful not drag him under the car.

I was thinking the same - he should have run the bugger over!

It's exactly the same layout and style as my DB's house in Jaywick. They're really flimsy and impossible to insulate, so they get really cold in winter.

It looked like a hammer/mallet. Not sure what the thing before that was. Some sort of tool, tyre iron?

Those houses are not fit for habitation. It's horrendous that people are expected to live in them. Presumably they aren't mortgageable, so are bought by cash buying scum-lords and rented to low income people?

Some are, and you're perfectly right, they're not mortgageable because they are of non-standard construction. A fair few (like my DB) own them outright.

Some of them look tidy and well kept but the vast majority are ramshackle and the amount of general dereliction in Jaywick is sad to see. I suppose those houses must be pretty much a constant round of maintenance and a battle to keep the weather out. I imagine they get damp very easily.