Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

Aibu?

They don't kill for sport, either.

No...Strictly food with Wolves. For the XL and Pits it's the sheer love of mauling .

They have been deliberately selected to fight and to enjoy a mauling session.

they see vulnerable children and adults and other animals as suitable mauling targets.

They even maul each other as young puppies. ''Game bred''..human selected for violence and aggression.

game bred pitbull puppies fighting

That video is chilling @oakleaffy .

I've seen puppies tussling with each other before, but never with this degree of intent.

Normally when the play gets rough enough for one to get hurt when it's nipped, the other/s stop and back off for a few moments - but that's not happening here. They are getting increasingly excited by it all.

I don't know how old these pups are (they look about 6-8 weeks, but I don't know the breed so I could be "out" in my estimation), but if they are this aggressive as barely weaned babies, they will be seriously savage when they reach maturity, especially if they remain un-nuetered.

The thought of dogs like that anywhere on our streets is beyond terrifying.

Edit for spelling. (Believe it or not, I DO proofread before I post . . . )

A woman in Australia has just suffered a mauling from some type of bull breed.

He looks like an absolute bellend

@Emotionalsupportviper Indeed...they really mean it.

I visited a friend's Whippet Pups {all had vetted homes lined up before the mother went off to meet the Sire} and they are 'Tussling'...but they take it in turns.
If someone is too rough, they break it off.

vid won't load, but stills show the style of 'tussle'.

I'm not sure how old those pups in oakleaffys video are, but I'm guessing 7 or 8 weeks (ish).

The ones living in that house where the lady was killed this week were 6 months, so probably already bigger than a regular lab size. They must have been a scary sight when fighting, so no wonder she wanted to separate them!

Look at Rightmove for houses in the Brookland Estate, Jaywick... they are tiny, really tiny. Now imagine 8 of these massive brutes in one of those houses. Jeez.

2 bedroom bungalow for sale in Alvis Avenue, Jaywick, CO15 (rightmove.co.uk)

@RubyEarWax @Emotionalsupportviper Yes, all puppies tussle - it's a vital part of their early socialisation where {non mauling!} breeds learn important things like bite inhibition.
If someone's ear gets nipped too hard with needle~ like puppy teeth, the nipped one 'squeaks', and the nipper stops nipping.

It's how puppies gain strength as well..puppies can play 'roughly', but no one gets hurt.

@SinnerBoy That's awful.... Happening all over the world, unfortunately where powerfully aggressive fighting breed dogs are.

God that house

That was something that struck me in the "game bred" litter. At one point 3 pups were "worrying" a fourth. I've never seen this before.

Generally
a) pups are one-on-one, and it determines the top dog/ bitch in the litter. The others keep out of the interaction. The first "squeak" makes the "nipper" stop in its tracks.

or

b) it is pure play. There is amiable fun tussling - and guess what? The first "squeak" makes the "nipper" stop in its tracks. (Play often resumes after a moment or two)

I went on Google Earth {or maps, not sure which } to look at the address where this took place as the daughter of the woman killed was saying how tiny the houses were.. it looks a desperately deprived area, and these are really no more than prefabs {and just as small}
That is no way a large enough dwelling to keep all those massive XL Pit type dogs.

However, I was a member of a Facebook group a few yrs ago where a person had seven large greyhounds, and yet she and her husband managed them with gentle voices and calmness.
Greyhounds are a large breed, but aren't a fighting breed.

Squirrels ought to look sharp though, as Greys will chase.

Minor derail: none of my dogs has caught a squirrel, but one of my cats did.

It was f*cking MASSIVE-I had no idea how big grey squirrels could be - bigger that our Olaf, anyway, and he's a good sized cat.

Their teeth are terrifying. At close quarters, when they aren't sitting in the park eating the custard creams someone is feeding them they really are just rats with frilly tails . . . 😬

They are bloody GRIM!

Yes, close to a Grey squirrel is a vast beast.
They can and will give a dog a nasty bite.
They are indeed Rats with floofy tails.

They can also be incredibly ''Daring'' with dogs {Pic} This squirrel got away.

Olaf must have been very strong to have caught a Squirrel, they don't give up easily...they have massive orange incisors they use to defend themselves with.

I'm thinking back a few weeks, but I think those incisors were about an inch long (and that it not an exaggeration.)

Olaf (Destroyer of Carpets, Slayer of Rabbits, Scourge of Corvids) is indeed a mighty hunter. He brought a stoat back once (it was definitely a stoat - it was winter and it was full ermine) and shook it to death on the back lawn in full view of his admiring public. The words "Fecking* Ada - look at this Mr Viper!" may have passed my lips. He has also had a seagull, and a number of jackdaws and magpies, even though the other birds mob him.

*My Viper does not like me saying "fucking" so for the sake of his shell-likes I usually moderate my speech.

Edited to add the "ermine" bit

Edited again to add that despite this mighty huntering, he can't seem to catch the fecking rat we have in our kitchen since our hoarder neighbour died and his house has been gutted and rebuilt. We've had to call the Ratman.

Awful.....
She was a Cleaner visiting the property just going about her daily work.

She has been severely mauled.

Pitbull attacked her. I hope it won't be ''returned to the owner'' afterwards, as it's clearly dangerous.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/woman-suffers-horrific-injuries-after-vicious-dog-attack-at-condell-park/news-story/ef5bda2dd9c5ea19b16d28fed93b0ad0

Poor woman. Those sound horrific injuries.

The fact that she has injuries to her chest as well as her limbs suggest this animal was aiming for her vulnerable throat area.

On the rare occasions a dog bites, it will usually be hands, possibly ankles, calves, thighs. It is very rare that the upper body or facial area is targetted.

Cats can indeed be mighty hunters/huntresses.

''Death by Olaf'' would be a more humane death for a rodent than poisons or traps.. But rats are wily like squirrels.

Wow I've never seen a Stoat in Ermine. That must have been a rare sight.

Another animal that is bigger than one might imagine. They're fucking fierce as well. I was impressed (though I have to admit I was sorry for the stoat - I hate any unnecessary death).

Edited for spelling (yet again). In my defence, I am dyslexic.

Is it fair to determine whether it is breed or owner by watching a video of horrendously abused puppies fighting?

Those poor things were riddled with ringworm and 6 of them crammed into a recycling tub not big enough to house a single puppy. Most breeds would react the same way under those circumstances. And God only knows what the bastard owner puts them through off-camera if that is what he is willing to show the general public.

Show me a video of well-cared-for puppies with enough space to move freely acting the same and I will agree it is an innate behaviour not affected by how they are raised.

I agree that breeding can have an impact on temperament however breed or how responsibly dogs were bred has very little impact on the predictability of whether a dog will go on to seriously attack.

The most important factors are all owner-led behaviours.

https://avmajournals.avma.org/view/journals/javma/243/12/javma.243.12.1726.xml

https://www.petmd.com/blogs/thedailyvet/ken-tudor/2014/april/dog-bite-fatalities-breed-or-human-problem-31529

I agree the behaviour and attack instincts of those puppies is vile. They're dangerous. Should never be around people

The tired old ''It's how they are raised'' trope.

Funny how very ill rescued puppies {non fighting breeds} don't fight, despite close quarters, and a fungal infection {ringworm} won't be the cause of this innate aggressive behaviour.

There are plenty of videos of Pit puppies fighting each other.

It's what they DO.
Coursing bred {lure coursing} Whippets chase a plastic bag on a string at 9 weeks old, they chase anything that moves, as it's in their genes to do so.

These Pit types are in the open, no Fungal infection, and are STILL fighting.

It's DNA led.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Yj-YPRiFb88

Over half of the XL Bullies in the UK are descended from a dog named "Killer Kimbo", a dog which itself was the product of a brother-sister mating and which is responsible for several dogs that have killed - one dog involved in a killing was related to Kimbo in both it's maternal and maternal lines. The XL Bully is a genetic fuck-up. The "breeders" have purposely bred out the fight or flight response and it has resulted in dog that will never back down, however badly injured, a dog that has the terrier bite characteristic of hold & shake, and then they inbreed it to the extent that pretty much all of them are born with very limited mental faculties and an unpredictable temperament. That unpredictability is hardwired into them and is a genetic trait thanks to their gene pool being so narrow.

The whole how they are raised thing is a nonsense. I donate to an animal charity that works in a township in South Africa. Some of the dogs that come to them as abuse cases would break your heart, and the poor things, despite their suffering at the hands of humans, are desperate for love and utterly non-aggressive for the most part. They tend to be at least part Africanis dogs, that's their temperament.

That puppy video is awful and absolutely a marketing video, designed to show their fighting potential to prospective buyers. There is one puppy in the box, a grey brindle with a white flash that doesn't want to get involved and is actively trying to escape the scrap but someone out of shot keeps pushing him/her back down into the box .