To not want to be sat near loud cackling women

[Ferretmad2]

What is it with groups of loud, cackling women these days? Third time I’ve eaten out recently and next to a table full of shouty, cackling women who seem to be in a contest of who can cackle the loudest. Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s a posh place or not. I’m fed up of having to be sat near them whilst waiting for my food. Can’t move as we are in a table of 7. My three autistic children are completely silent! Feel like following my eldest child’s example and getting noise cancelling AirPods.

Men wound be shouty, sweaty and loutish.

Women are more likely to cackle, it's a laugh but with a sharp tone.

It's when your having too much fun but not being considerate of others, same as with the men.

So yes, there are different words for each, such is the English language.

You don't need to get pissy with OP. She has three autistic children to look after and make comfortable. She's probably a bit peeved off with this happening three times.

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No-one is objecting to people laughing and having fun. People find excessively LOUD and RAUCOUS laughter intrusive. That's all.

You really thought you did something with this.

You think these women are the only women on earth who eat out with friends? 😭

Give us a break. Maybe they're just loud and annoying, and the pitch of their voices is actually really jarring?

The activism is so annoying. Like others have said, daring to even criticise women for antisocial behaviour is now misogyny. Everything is misogyny. It's not even about the word 'cackle' at this point, simply thinking women are being to loud is a hatred of women.

Stay home then and be miserable there

People tend to talk louder on the phone and it's often intrusive.

Two people having a normal pitched conversation is more easy to tune out.

KarenNotAKaren · Today 11:26

As an aside I’m sure the concept of women being friends and having a good time with one another outside of their relationships with men, is explored in the Handmaids Tale as being highly suspicious and sinful. Threads like this make me think of that - that people have a serious problem with women gathering together and enjoying themselves

Are you being serious? Is this a satirical post?

I really, really hope so, for your sake, Karen!

There is a middle ground between loud raucous laughter and pissing off everyone around you and staying home and being miserable.

Or are you incapable of having fun without annoying everyone in the vicinity?

@RampantIvy depends, some people just like look for annoyance in everything 🤷🏽‍♀️

Why should I? Why shouldn't I, as an autistic woman, be able to go out for dinner to celebrate an occasion with family? I want to be able to hear others at my table, to enjoy a good time, yes to have a laugh too. I just want others to be a bit more considerate of people around them. Last time was at a local village gastro pub, at 7pm. It was only half full. I thought that was a safe option.

I think that people should do their best not to impose themselves on other people. But I do think the focus on women and derogatory language about women is interesting. As is some poster's refusal to see it. "Obviously, bitch isn't a derogatory word. I know some wonderful female dogs- they're the best!"

Yeah I’m still not buying that it isn’t about sexism. I stand by everything I say.

I mean if you’re THAT sensitive to noise that women laughing on another table is so very jarring then maybe eating out isn’t for you. And if you still want to eat out then YOU take steps to mitigate your problem.

We all have to put up with all sorts of noises when out - noisy children, yappy dogs, it’s not ideal but it’s part of the tapestry of life, it comes with Co-existing with other humans. You are not entitled to have totally quietness from others when going out for a meal.

In summary: get over it.

Im sure this is just a MN thing, I’m not sure if it’s a pandemic hangover but people on here seem terrified of being around other humans they don’t know. It’s really not healthy or normal!

Cackling isn't derogatory.

A group of people were specifically doing something and OP used a descriptive word. Actually, a very good descriptive word, because we all know what 'cackling' is compared ti if she simply said 'laughing'.

It's a gendered word, but it's not inherently derogatory. We don't have to silence OP for using a word we don't like.

You are not entitled to have totally quietness from others when going out for a meal.

No-one has asked for that at all.

I mean if you’re THAT sensitive to noise that women laughing on another table is so very jarring then maybe eating out isn’t for you. And if you still want to eat out then YOU take steps to mitigate your problem.

It's the type of laughter.

Normal, joyful laughter is fine
Loud cackling raucous laughter is jarring and annoying

There is a difference, which many posters on this thread fail to see.

I agree.

Or, despite the fact that we ALL get annoyed at something or other, some people think they are so special that THEIR annoyance is other people’s problem.

I cannot stand dogs being in cafes, shops and generally indoor places that aren’t home. Annoying yappy slobbering things put me off my food. But this is very much my problem and if I don’t like it I can go somewhere that doesn’t allow dogs. I understand many places are dog friendly because footfall increases exponentially. So I can get go elsewhere Or I can get over it. I certainly am not arrogant enough to huff and say ‘what about meeeeee and my dislike! How DARE you not put ME first, stranger!’. Give me ‘cackling’ women over a fur baby any day!

Again - it’s a you problem if you only find certain noises acceptable. People can’t help the way they laugh.

Well they are - I also think there are some tremendous exaggerations on this thread about how women laugh. I have never heard a cackle like a witch which is what im assuming people are describing. And if I did - Meh.

It is derogatory. Have you ever heard a man being described as someone who cackles?

Why is everyone pretending the language on this thread isn’t extremely sexist?

@KarenNotAKaren a word being typically gendered doesn't make it derogatory.

Please quote the posts asking for total quietness as I haven't seen one.

Just women. Do only women cackle?
is it because our voices are higher?

sexist comments.

Well you should but other people should also be able to go out and enjoy themselves. The world doesn't revolve around you

It’s sexist because we wouldn’t say men cackle. It’s like nagging only applied to women.

Mostly women. Yes, it's the pitch required, a sex based difference. I worked with a man that could sound like he was laying an egg though.