To not want to be sat near loud cackling women

[Ferretmad2]

What is it with groups of loud, cackling women these days? Third time I’ve eaten out recently and next to a table full of shouty, cackling women who seem to be in a contest of who can cackle the loudest. Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s a posh place or not. I’m fed up of having to be sat near them whilst waiting for my food. Can’t move as we are in a table of 7. My three autistic children are completely silent! Feel like following my eldest child’s example and getting noise cancelling AirPods.

I often refer to men as males too. Talk about pedantic. Good grief....I was following on from an earlier post who God forbid used the word female. 😳 Bet everyone has to walk on eggshells around you. 🥺

Well my explanation isn't complex, so if you still don't know, I'm afraid that's all I've got! No, she didn't mention witches. Just that laughing sound that's commonly associated with...now, who can it be.. ?

I thought drunken loud men are being 'boorish' rather then cackling

A hen, it's the sound a hen makes

Ah! Of course. The OP was likening the women to farm animals, not witches. That's great then! As you were.

It's the equivalent of 'braying' used for men, and descriptors like 'boarish'.

Presumably had a few drinks with their meal.. as they should

Those who are ok with children's party noise, maybe that's your answer? Go to places that like to cater for the under-10s and don't go to restaurants that are the majority adults? I doubt there is much overlap in the two types of venue.

Tiresome and childish, women going out together? OK.

My point was that if loud high pitched noise and shouting across tables is acceptable for adults then it should also be acceptable for children. Yet threads about children in restaurants rarely go that way. Children laughing, shrieking, shouting, having a good time, surely that is fine too?

This thread is an example of what's so frustrating about MN. OP comes raises a particular point and half the respondents instead focus on a side issue of semantics. Snore.

Cackling is a perfectly good English onomatopoeic word and I know just what OP means. I'm 100% in support of her objection to loud, obnoxious, selfish borderline anti-social behaviour in public places. If she'd just said 'loud laughter' that would not have conveyed the full horror, would it?

And! As a woman, I assert my right to be misogynistic, thank you very much. Equal opportunities etc. And how do all these PPs know she's being misogynistic, though? Prejudice? Jumping to very stretchy conclusions? Guilt? Desperation to defend the indefinsible?

I'm ok with children laughing and speaking at a volume they need to, to be heard, yes. Which is what adults do, and I also have no problem with

Adults don't generally burst into loud wails of tears at the table, run up to other tables, or sit for lengthy periods playing games with no headphones though.

'Full horror' 'indefensible'. You know we are just talking about women laughing, right?

@CoffeeCantata " I'm 100% in support of her objection to loud, obnoxious, selfish borderline anti-social behaviour in public places"

So am I. Just not so happy with the focus on women and misogynist language.

Surely in this instance the focus is on women because it was a table full of noisy women that the OP was sat next to?? If it was a bunch of pissed up men being loud and obnoxious they would probably be described as boorish, yobbish, vulgar, coarse etc words rarely used to describe similar behaviour from women.

Women outside of the house, enjoying themselves? How very dare they?

Who on here has suggested that women can't go out and enjoy themselves?

Why do so many posters think you have to be loud to be enjoying yourself?

And if you laugh and converse in lower tones then you aren't enjoying yourself?

Most of us on here are women who want to go out and enjoy ourselves! But if we don’t happen to like intrusive noise we get told to stay at home...

Ok I'll rephrase it
Women outside of the home, enjoying themselves. As long as they are 'being kind' or ' nice' then they're not a problem. 🙄😁

I apply the same mantra to men. You are trying very hard to find offense here. I am not a fan of loud obnoxious behaviour at inappropriate times/venues irrespective of whether it is a group of men or women.

I agree with you OP. Outbursts of shrieking laughter every few seconds is really annoying. Nothing is that funny!

Honestly, this is a horrible thread. Women castigating other women for enjoying female company and having the wrong type of laugh.

I think some posters have forgotten what it's like to belly laugh and find something hilarious. Maybe you haven't cracked more than a smile in 10 years with your DH or whoever you go out with. I hope you gain /regain the ability some day.

If I genuinely find something hilarious I don’t cackle or shriek. I gasp and cry tears of laughter. The kind of laughter the OP is describing sounds performative to me. “Look at us how much fun we’re having”.

You must be quite hard of hearing if you don't find loud, shrieking laughter intrusive, or you have never sat near a table full of people who do this.

There is nothing wrong with laughter at all, but when it is so loud it hurts your ears then it becomes unpleasant to sit next to.

You have completely missed the point here.

Happy, joyous laughter = good

Very loud, shrieking, cackling laughter = unpleasant

And no, I don't think describing some styles of laughter as cackling is misogynistic at all. It is merely describing the type of sound it makes.