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My DS is about to be permanently excluded- fairly urgent advice needed

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Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 22:52

My DS (now 14) is about to be permanently excluded. AIBU to think this is a little OTT considering his circumstances? I have my hard hat on so feel free to be honest with me here.

My younger sister (34) took her life in a horrific and traumatic way last January 2023. She lived with us on and off for over 10 years. She was a free spirit who loved my children like her own and they adored her. She meant everything to them. She did school runs for me. Attended all important events. Was such a huge part of their lives.

My DS had a nearly perfect record until this point. Great attendance. He had the odd log for uniform infringements, lates, that sort of thing.

When his auntie died he spiralled into depression. He developed severed insomnia, panic attacks and lost all interest in just about every area of his life. His attendance dropped to just over 50%. He was there almost everyday but was just consistently late all the time because of his insomnia. He no longer cared about school, sports or anything he used to enjoy. He had always had trouble making friends, he was a bit awkward and was a bit overweight. Kids were cruel and he had never brought a friend home in all the time he was at this school. He only had friends online and never left the house, no matter how much we tried to encourage him to engage in a social life.

The school noticed a significant change in him and many meetings were had. Referrals were promised, including to CAMHS. Not only for his depression but also because he suddenly developed tics and other odd behaviours. I told his head of year in strict confidence that he has no friends. He bottles things up and doesn’t like to talk. She told him what I said anyway.

Around summertime he suddenly developed a friendship group. I was so happy! Until I found out they were two years younger than him and were apparently a group known to be trouble. The school’s words, not mine. He got into a fight which resulted in a three day exclusion, he was then excluded again for bunking a lesson and then excluded a third time for puffing on someone else’s vape which was caught on CCTV.

At this point we had been back and forth to the GP who could only prescribe antihistamines. We were told by the school that a referral had been done to CAMHS who would be able to give him melatonin.

After his last exclusion we were told he was no longer welcome at the school. Our options were a managed move or a PRU. Of course we went with the managed move to give him a fresh start at a mainstream school.

He seemed so happy. His attendance shot up to well over 90%. He missed 2 days due to D&V. His insomnia was still a problem. He was so tired all the time. His effort in class was described as ‘lethargic’. He had no interest in his school work. Depression, ADHD and ASD run in our family so his CAMHS referral was vital. I took him to the GP for the 5th time about his insomnia. She checked on the referral for us and told us there was no CAMHS referral. She called CAMHS to make sure. She did an urgent referral there and then and he has an appointment in March.

We had his 6 week managed move review last week and it was terminated. They couldn’t handle his ‘lethargic’ attitude. The other complaint was that he was wearing his coat in between lessons in the hallways. He had a few lates to lessons and the final nail in the coffin was that he was in the vicinity of a fight that he was not involved in. The school is HUGE and he was lost. Wrong place wrong time. I was told they expected 100% attendance and for him to be ‘squeaky clean’. Their words.

He was sent home with me immediately and will now be permanently excluded. Whilst the teachers said his attitude to learning was ‘lethargic’, they described him as a kind, polite and gentle boy. He is just so depressed and lost 😔 When we got home he had a severe panic attack and I had to hold him in my arms while he sobbed feeling unwanted and like a complete failure.

He doesn’t belong in a PRU. He is not that child. It will destroy him. He’s just not strong enough.

What can I do? What would you do? This doesn’t feel right. Our eldest has ADHD and ASD and life has been hell with him but he has an EHCP that protects him. He has been violent, destroyed school property, done awful things. But he is currently sitting with his bum in the butter because the LA is legally bound to do everything they can for him. My other DS does not have an EHCP. His dyslexia was not enough to apply apparently. His symptoms only escalated after the death of his beloved Auntie.

Any advice would be so appreciated. Thank you.

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Sunflower8848 · 27/01/2024 22:56

Have you visited a PRU? You might be surprised how supportive they are. They have a lot of training in helping children with emotional regulation and those that have experienced trauma. I think you should consider it.

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 22:56

Just to add. His weight loss is also so concerning. He is wearing clothes that fit him three years ago and they still hang off him. My heart is just breaking for him.

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saltnvini · 27/01/2024 22:57

I would visit the PRU if you haven't. I'm not sure what you mean by this? He doesn’t belong in a PRU. He is not that child. It will destroy him. He’s just not strong enough. it sounds like two schools have given him a shot and have decided that actually the PRU will be able to help him better. Perhaps you have misconceptions of who goes to PRU?

Biscuitsandpizza · 27/01/2024 22:58

I'm sorry, I don't have any advice, but I really feel for your situation, and that of your son. How desperately sad for you both to have lost your sister, his auntie. To me his behaviour seems totally reasonable, given the circumstances and I'm beyond shocked that the school(s) aren't being more understanding and compassionate. I really hope that you can get something sorted very soon for your poor boy.

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:00

@@Sunflower8848 yes. I visited it once before with my eldest. Most of the children there are involved in gangs etc. I know a lot of their families from my eldest son. Before the managed move my DS’s school told him they didn’t want to send him there because he’d be ‘eaten alive’. Again, they’re words. So I am terrified.

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Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:01

Sorry, their words. Autocorrect.

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Stompythedinosaur · 27/01/2024 23:02

A school that is so negative about him is not the right place for him to be.

I think your image of what a PRU is probably isn't accurate. They can be very supportive, and might offer more flexibility about timings of attendance, which might be helpful.

Lollywillowes · 27/01/2024 23:05

OP, I can understand you not wanting him to go to a PRU.

Have you looked at homeschooling? There are some supportive groups around.

PonyPatter44 · 27/01/2024 23:06

The PRU may not be the horror show you assume it to be. A relative of mine went to a PRU, and frankly it was the making of them. PRUs have excellent staff-pupil ratios, and good training for the staff.

I'm so sorry for your family's terrible loss of your sister.

Windymcwindyson · 27/01/2024 23:06

Ime PRU support the' decent' dc to get back into school within their 6 week programme..

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:09

That’s really good to know. Does this apply even of they’ve been permanently excluded?

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Aptique · 27/01/2024 23:09

So sorry for the loss of your sister. Your poor ds must have been very close to her to have been affected this badly. It's sad that the school can't make the link between this and the change in your ds. If his misdemeanours aren't violent and affecting other students, why are they trying to place him in a PRU that does have violent and problematic children? That is going to do him much harm. I don't know what to suggest except that I'm sorry for your ds. I do know of someone whose child went though something similar and they home schooled.

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:10

Sorry, that was for @Windymcwindyson

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StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 27/01/2024 23:10

Since this all seems to stem from grief I'd be seeing if I could get him onto a Winstons Wish camp. I know that doesn't help with the here and now but it might help address the root cause.

Dussa · 27/01/2024 23:10

I'm so sorry that he is going through all of this, he sounds a lovely boy, but affected by the things that have happened. I've got no words of wisdom but hope things get better for him soon

Windymcwindyson · 27/01/2024 23:13

My ds was permanently excluded. Exh took him off school registration to home school. Didn't.. Ds went to the PRU before he could be re-registered.. Head told me they never kept the academic ones..

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:13

@Aptique this is my concern. I personally know many of the children at this PRU. They come from backgrounds of drug abuse, gangs and terrible violence. My DS is a sensitive soul and I’m so scared for him. He is just lost right now. They also have a relatively high suicide rate. Homeschooling might have to be the way. I know that not all PRUs are bad but I know this one is awful. We’re in London. It has a terrible reputation. I’m so scared for him.

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Quartz2208 · 27/01/2024 23:15

saltnvini · 27/01/2024 22:57

I would visit the PRU if you haven't. I'm not sure what you mean by this? He doesn’t belong in a PRU. He is not that child. It will destroy him. He’s just not strong enough. it sounds like two schools have given him a shot and have decided that actually the PRU will be able to help him better. Perhaps you have misconceptions of who goes to PRU?

I agree, it is clear from his issues that he needs one. Our local one (Starz Sutton) is very much medical based and would work on reingration or offering the level he needs.

the fact is he isn’t strong enough for mainstream and you need to look at the PRU and remove your preconceptions

EBSA (emotional based school anxiety) is so rife that the majority of pupils at the PRU will I suspect be similar

Floofydog · 27/01/2024 23:16

I don't know what to say @Bumblebee2324 except to say when my mum died of cancer when I was 13 I immediately didn't give a shit about school. Up until then I was an A student, on sports teams and elected to the school council.

I had no motivation and would constantly leave school in the early afternoon and never had any repercussions. I became rude, defiant and angry. I dropped all my friend group and started to hang out with two other girls who enjoyed rebelling socially too. I also lost weight and barely ate.

I never got any grief counseling whatsoever. Teens are often severely neglected when it comes to the death of a parent or a very close relative. I am sorry to hear this is still happening. Has he had any professional help and support for his grief?

Ionacat · 27/01/2024 23:18

I’m amazed that the school are going to make this permanent exclusion stick if he’s only had three suspensions. Usually you need significant numbers of them, plus lots of internal sanctions and then the school has to prove what support they’ve given and strategies they’ve tried. Unless there’s more that you’ve not got into on this post, but on face value, I’d say you’ve got good grounds for appeal, but if they don’t want him and aren’t going to support him, you may find it better to go elsewhere.

I would go and see the PRU. I know people where it was the making of them and where possible they do try and get them back into mainstream if it’s appropriate to do so. I’d also see what else he may be able to access in terms of local alternative provision. Have a look on your local authority’s website - under local offer. There are all sorts of charities offering things - from music to work placements, drama, sport, art therapy but it varies locally. Most work with schools and PRUs but quite often accept direct referrals.

Soupsetscared · 27/01/2024 23:19

I had a chance to look around a PRU school a couple of weeks ago.
Oh my gosh what a lovely place it was. Teachers were supportive.
They knew every childs name.
Please give it a try.

RosesAndHellebores · 27/01/2024 23:19

Mainstream school isn't helping is it? The alternatives are: the Pru, no education or a period as an in-patient in an adolescent psychiatric unit.

What are you doing to mobilise CAMHS? Have you written to the CEO of the MH Trust, to your MP? Have you been in touch with Social Services? Can you pay, remortgaging if necessary for private consultant psychiatric support?

DyslexicPoster · 27/01/2024 23:20

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 22:56

Just to add. His weight loss is also so concerning. He is wearing clothes that fit him three years ago and they still hang off him. My heart is just breaking for him.

Ask the Dr to do a complete panel of bloods. Check his thyroid.

I have nothing but sympathy because I can relate to so much of your post.

I know we are told to never bash schools or the nhs but without funding and genuine empathy both harm children I'mmeasrably.

My eldest boy had a urgent referal to camhs at 15 and at yriage he lied to them, I begged them for help there and then but they took his word he had got up to 90% attendance. It was 40%. They had no interest in digging for the truth. He is 20 now, medically unfit to work because of his MH from school. Hopefully he is to uni soon. He got straight A's at a level despite missing most of his education. He was borderline at a ASD assessment because he is smart and lied at the assessment. I think that's been a huge factor. Stress of masking and hiding stress and worrys for so long.

My youngest is now facing exclusion but does have ASD and a ehcp. Nothing protects her. School can't cope so off to the pru it is. When the going gets tough, people wash their hands. The inspirational teachers who listen, care and turn things around are rare in mainstream. They can't offord to care as they are firefighters

crumblingschools · 27/01/2024 23:21

Has there been a panel to review his exclusion?

Heronwatcher · 27/01/2024 23:24

Just to say I agree he needs to have a look at alternative settings, even if just for a short time, and probably with the aim of getting into mainstream soon. But it sounds very much like a mainstream school is just not the place for him at the moment.

Personally I would be looking at as many different PRUs as possible and anything else you have locally. If there really isn’t anything suitable, consider home ed or an online school (Kings Inter etc). Missing 6 months of education isn’t the end of the world, he’ll catch up, and in reality he’s not going to learn until his mental health improves anyway.

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