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My DS is about to be permanently excluded- fairly urgent advice needed

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Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 22:52

My DS (now 14) is about to be permanently excluded. AIBU to think this is a little OTT considering his circumstances? I have my hard hat on so feel free to be honest with me here.

My younger sister (34) took her life in a horrific and traumatic way last January 2023. She lived with us on and off for over 10 years. She was a free spirit who loved my children like her own and they adored her. She meant everything to them. She did school runs for me. Attended all important events. Was such a huge part of their lives.

My DS had a nearly perfect record until this point. Great attendance. He had the odd log for uniform infringements, lates, that sort of thing.

When his auntie died he spiralled into depression. He developed severed insomnia, panic attacks and lost all interest in just about every area of his life. His attendance dropped to just over 50%. He was there almost everyday but was just consistently late all the time because of his insomnia. He no longer cared about school, sports or anything he used to enjoy. He had always had trouble making friends, he was a bit awkward and was a bit overweight. Kids were cruel and he had never brought a friend home in all the time he was at this school. He only had friends online and never left the house, no matter how much we tried to encourage him to engage in a social life.

The school noticed a significant change in him and many meetings were had. Referrals were promised, including to CAMHS. Not only for his depression but also because he suddenly developed tics and other odd behaviours. I told his head of year in strict confidence that he has no friends. He bottles things up and doesn’t like to talk. She told him what I said anyway.

Around summertime he suddenly developed a friendship group. I was so happy! Until I found out they were two years younger than him and were apparently a group known to be trouble. The school’s words, not mine. He got into a fight which resulted in a three day exclusion, he was then excluded again for bunking a lesson and then excluded a third time for puffing on someone else’s vape which was caught on CCTV.

At this point we had been back and forth to the GP who could only prescribe antihistamines. We were told by the school that a referral had been done to CAMHS who would be able to give him melatonin.

After his last exclusion we were told he was no longer welcome at the school. Our options were a managed move or a PRU. Of course we went with the managed move to give him a fresh start at a mainstream school.

He seemed so happy. His attendance shot up to well over 90%. He missed 2 days due to D&V. His insomnia was still a problem. He was so tired all the time. His effort in class was described as ‘lethargic’. He had no interest in his school work. Depression, ADHD and ASD run in our family so his CAMHS referral was vital. I took him to the GP for the 5th time about his insomnia. She checked on the referral for us and told us there was no CAMHS referral. She called CAMHS to make sure. She did an urgent referral there and then and he has an appointment in March.

We had his 6 week managed move review last week and it was terminated. They couldn’t handle his ‘lethargic’ attitude. The other complaint was that he was wearing his coat in between lessons in the hallways. He had a few lates to lessons and the final nail in the coffin was that he was in the vicinity of a fight that he was not involved in. The school is HUGE and he was lost. Wrong place wrong time. I was told they expected 100% attendance and for him to be ‘squeaky clean’. Their words.

He was sent home with me immediately and will now be permanently excluded. Whilst the teachers said his attitude to learning was ‘lethargic’, they described him as a kind, polite and gentle boy. He is just so depressed and lost 😔 When we got home he had a severe panic attack and I had to hold him in my arms while he sobbed feeling unwanted and like a complete failure.

He doesn’t belong in a PRU. He is not that child. It will destroy him. He’s just not strong enough.

What can I do? What would you do? This doesn’t feel right. Our eldest has ADHD and ASD and life has been hell with him but he has an EHCP that protects him. He has been violent, destroyed school property, done awful things. But he is currently sitting with his bum in the butter because the LA is legally bound to do everything they can for him. My other DS does not have an EHCP. His dyslexia was not enough to apply apparently. His symptoms only escalated after the death of his beloved Auntie.

Any advice would be so appreciated. Thank you.

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Madethewoolworthcountershine · 27/01/2024 23:53

That is absolutely not following legal procedures. Please call your fair access/inclusion team on Monday morning and tell them that this is what happened. I would also email school 1 and calmly ask them if they are aware that this approach is illegal offrolling, making them aware that you will be contacting Ofsted for advice. Ofsted won’t be able to support like fair access can, but they will be very interested to know that this is happening.

KyleWalkersLibido · 27/01/2024 23:53

Madethewoolworthcountershine · 27/01/2024 23:37

This is the best advice you can be given. If you received an exclusion letter have a look at it and see what the process for appealing the exclusion is. If not, call the school and ask for the letter. Then call your local fair access/inclusion team and tell them you need someone to come and support you at an appeals panel. In my experience most exclusions that are appealed with a local authority representative get overturned.

Unfortunately Academies do not need to follow Local Authority independent review panels and often run their own. This can mean that they select the independent panel members from other Headteachers within the same trust, governors within the same trust so are not always as independent as it seems.

maddening · 27/01/2024 23:55

I would homeschool with tutors in English and maths and private therapy

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:55

@Apolloneuro it’s helped but my score has gone from 9/10 to around a 5/6. Not enough. Next week is my last session and I then have to be re-referred. What happened to my sister was just horrific. My flashbacks and nightmares are still terrible. We’ve only managed to get through a few of the events without me having a huge emotional reaction.

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ExtraOnions · 27/01/2024 23:57

School Governor, who sits on PEX panels …

That Second PEX doesn’t seem legal to me, it’s a punishment of last resort. Make sure you appeal it.

crumblingschools · 27/01/2024 23:57

@KyleWalkersLibido a panel decision can be appealed to an independent review panel, so academies should follow procedures

Nikee20 · 27/01/2024 23:58

@Bumblebee2324 do you think it’s your MH that’s affecting him?

HarrietTheFireStarter · 27/01/2024 23:58

First of all, I'm so sorry for the devastating loss of your sister and now the heartache with your son.

What matters most is his well-being; everything else can wait.

Personally the schools sound appalling, the first for vilifying a deeply traumatised young person and the second for worrying about a fucking coat. Ridiculous and really, that says everything about their attitude tp their learners, it's superficial.

So he's best off out of there.

Now I can't speak to your PRU but the same attitude is held to AE (alternative education) where I live with the belief being that it's a breeding ground for gangs.

Well, my son is in one and he is on fire, now a full year ahead of school peers after only 4months attendance. At last he is not harassed over what he wears or how he looks. The support is brilliant and he is a new boy. They are steering him towards early entrance to university and at home he is now HAPPY.

So please try to be open-minded about your options. Maybe your boy needs a small setting with fewer stresses.

JoB1977 · 27/01/2024 23:59

There will have to be a hearing. You can appeal, and the local authority have to provide an advocate if you want one. All of this should be detailed in a letter that you have to get within a certain timeframe (not long at all, a few days). They also have to provide an education after 5 days while the process of permanent exclusion proceeds. Often this is in an alternative provision where assessments can be made which can be supportive and helpful for next steps.
Sometimes this is the best thing as actually support appears that wasn’t there before. Contact the local authority and get the help offered. It isn’t a dead end.

Apolloneuro · 28/01/2024 00:00

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:55

@Apolloneuro it’s helped but my score has gone from 9/10 to around a 5/6. Not enough. Next week is my last session and I then have to be re-referred. What happened to my sister was just horrific. My flashbacks and nightmares are still terrible. We’ve only managed to get through a few of the events without me having a huge emotional reaction.

I’ve been having therapy for four years and my sister didn’t die in my arms.

Less skilled practitioners, especially those with limited allocated sessions, go MUCH MUCH too quickly.

Greensleevevssnotnose · 28/01/2024 00:02

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:49

@Sundayrain I’ve begged FIVE times. They’ve said it has to be prescribed by a consultant. I’m so confused, this is something you used to be able to buy at Holland and Barrett or amazon. Apparently GPs are not allowed to prescribe it now. It has to be a specialist like a paediatrician or psychiatrist.

I take it daily and order in line from a company called NOW I went to NHS sleep clinic and CBT for insomnia, mine it PTSD related and they both said order it online, so I do

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 28/01/2024 00:03

I don't have any advice, I'm afraid, but hopefully more knowledgeable people will be along to help with that. I just wanted to say that I'm so sorry for the loss of your sister and for everything that your ds has been through. I would expect his school to be a bit more compassionate and understanding in light of the situation. I do hope that your ds is able to access the support that he needs, and that wherever he ends up, it's the right environment for him.

Frangipanyoul8r · 28/01/2024 00:04

I’m so sorry for the loss of your sister and the impact it’s had on your poor son. You sound like you are doing everything you can for him 💐

oakleaffy · 28/01/2024 00:06

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:39

Thank you all so much for your replies and for being kind. We have paid for counselling and he has had two lots of 6 week sessions with charities. It hasn’t helped. We have finally been referred to jigsaw which work with the school and us as a family. I feel so much guilt because my sister was my world so I have not been the mother I used to be for him. In the last year I have also had CBT, bereavement counselling and am nearly finished a 16 week course of EMDR. My sister died in my arms. My trauma has no doubt had an effect on my children and I blame myself for that. We came from a very traumatic background. My sister had BPD. Between trying to save her life and trying to help my eldest I know I neglected my other children. There is only so much I can give while being so broken myself. Not that this is relevant but I’m a SAHM. My DH earns enough to give us that privilege. I’ve attended every meeting. Every doctor’s appointment. Done everything I can while also dealing with my own broken heart. My kids are well provided for. They come from a good loving home. This is all my fault, isn’t it? I’m so broken and devastated. I just want my sister back. I want my happy DS back. This hurts so much.

Suicide is really awful. So sorry you all suffer so from your poor sister’s suicide-

When someone is in such a mentally unwell state, they aren’t thinking of the terrible grief and guilt that the friends and family will be feeling afterwards… however irrational that guilt is.

No one can prevent self harm in others if that person is absolutely determined to end their pain.

Your family have been massively traumatised.
It takes time to process such pain.

Could your son just take time off from school to “ heal?”
He obviously isn’t emotionally strong at the moment.
The school sound so useless .

HarrietTheFireStarter · 28/01/2024 00:08

Just to add. Please stop berating yourself. All this focus on fault and blame serves no purpose but to make you feel worse.

You love your children, they have food, shelter and a safe place to fall. School can seem so important but it's just a part of life, not the entirety.

Focus on what you can do. Your children will know you have their backs and that is the most important thing.

Treat your son's school issue like an illness. You do what you can and slowly, slowly, he will improve. There's no quick fix but the main thing is for him to have compassionate adults around him.

Caerulea · 28/01/2024 00:11

OP, I'm so sorry for everything you've been through. Frankly I think it's incredible you're all still standing & no, this is not in the least your fault! The schools have failed your son horrifically - the idea ANY child could be excluded via a coat & a vape is revolting. For there to have been no consideration for what your son is going through just beggers belief.

I can't offer advice but you seem like you'll do everything possible to help your boy. Good luck, really wishing you all the strength & luck 🙏

Frangipanyoul8r · 28/01/2024 00:12

Sometimes when times are really hard, you need to just put a pause button on normal life and keep going forward with small repetitive routines.

It might set him back a year at school but if I were you, I would definitely home school if you can. It won’t be at the pace and level that he needs to keep up with peers but it might be enough to help you both heal a little. After an immense trauma, continuing with normal life (like school) just isn’t possible. It might be good for both of you.

DelphineFox · 28/01/2024 00:13

Could he have say a 6 week rest and then do online schooling like Interhigh? It might fit round his insomnia better.

Sundayrain · 28/01/2024 00:14

Bumblebee2324 · 27/01/2024 23:49

@Sundayrain I’ve begged FIVE times. They’ve said it has to be prescribed by a consultant. I’m so confused, this is something you used to be able to buy at Holland and Barrett or amazon. Apparently GPs are not allowed to prescribe it now. It has to be a specialist like a paediatrician or psychiatrist.

That's so odd, my GP has been prescribing it for 4 months now, they said they prefer it to be done by a specialist but given how long waiting lists are at the moment they often do end up prescribing it long term.

oakleaffy · 28/01/2024 00:14

@HarrietTheFireStarter I agreed totally.
Bumblebee’s son IS ill at the moment.

School at the time seems so important- but there is always time to catch up when one is mentally stronger.

Bumblebee2324 · 28/01/2024 00:16

You all have me in tears. I thought I’d be torn to shreds but you’ve all been so wonderful. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

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HarrietTheFireStarter · 28/01/2024 00:19

About melatonin, please don't hold out that this will be the answer to everything. It doesn't work for everyone. For me, it has the opposite effect.

Your son's insomnia is 98% likely to be about depression. You need to take an holistic approach ie. set bedtime and wake up time, no screens an hour before bed, regular eating, daily exercise, meditation and/or mindfulness.

Combined of course with any talking/art therapy.

oakleaffy · 28/01/2024 00:20

Caerulea · 28/01/2024 00:11

OP, I'm so sorry for everything you've been through. Frankly I think it's incredible you're all still standing & no, this is not in the least your fault! The schools have failed your son horrifically - the idea ANY child could be excluded via a coat & a vape is revolting. For there to have been no consideration for what your son is going through just beggers belief.

I can't offer advice but you seem like you'll do everything possible to help your boy. Good luck, really wishing you all the strength & luck 🙏

It’s unreal, isn’t it.
School sounds absolutely awful.
Pathetic in fact.
😝

Andthereyougo · 28/01/2024 00:20

I’m so sorry for your loss of your sister.
Your poor son, he sounds totally bewildered by grief. I really can’t believe a school is treating him so badly.
Bereavement by suicide has particular problems, I was part of a big widows / widowers group and there were a few who’d lost a spouse to suicide. They all said they need specialist counselling and therapy.
I can recommend Winston’s Wish https://www.winstonswish.org/
You might find this group helpful too. https://uksobs.org/

PRUs have a bad reputation generally, parents fear them, but if you get a good one with empathetic staff it might be a great help to your son.

FWIW I think you’ve both been ket down very badly all round.

Winston's Wish Homepage

Winston’s Wish is the UK’s childhood bereavement charity. We support children and their families after the death of someone important.

https://www.winstonswish.org/