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To be haunted by this (Israel/Hamas)

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newstart24 · 25/01/2024 23:01

The second picture, of the little girl sitting on her mother’s (I presume) knee. My DD is a similar age and I can’t get it out of my head. I just hope she got out of the situation and is ok. This country has its problems but bloody hell, when you think what other people in the world are going through, we are all so lucky to live here.

Israel shares horrific October 7 footage as it denies genocide charge

https://mol.im/a/13005021

Israel shares horrific October 7 footage as it denies genocide charge

MailOnline has exclusively obtained the sickening video shown to the ICJ as judges are due to make an interim ruling on alleged genocide on Friday at The Hague.

https://mol.im/a/13005021

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BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 07:45

niceandnew · 30/01/2024 01:01

They will receive funding to rebuild. From Israel and other nations.
This can only happen when Hamas is gone because if not they will take that money and use it for tunnels, rockets and rpgs as they have been doing since 2005

If Hamas was really stealing money then I think that the rockets they propel into Israel would land with more of a bang. It is the old common line ~ Hamas steals aid/Hamas would steal aid. Which is one of the so-called reasons some vile people are blocking much needed aid from crossing over. Along with the openly vile announcements of wanting to starve them so that they will move.

I don't think Hamas is bothered with women's hygiene products. Or baby nappies.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 07:49

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Hmmmmaybe · 30/01/2024 09:19

@BackandForthRoundandRound do you genuinely believe that Hamas have not misused aid and other money that should have been used for governing?

Hiw do you think Hamas operates as an organisation?

AbsoluteYawns · 30/01/2024 09:25

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 07:45

If Hamas was really stealing money then I think that the rockets they propel into Israel would land with more of a bang. It is the old common line ~ Hamas steals aid/Hamas would steal aid. Which is one of the so-called reasons some vile people are blocking much needed aid from crossing over. Along with the openly vile announcements of wanting to starve them so that they will move.

I don't think Hamas is bothered with women's hygiene products. Or baby nappies.

Are you saying that Hamas use money they get to feed the Gazan people, build infrastructure, to educate girls and look after the Gazan peoples basic needs?

Have you read that they pay suicide bombers families a premium for blowing themselves up? that they influtrate UNWRA? To what end? For peace?

Your thoughts are clear. I should be shocked but sadly too many like you are on here 'understanding' the terrorists.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 09:47

Hmmmmaybe · 30/01/2024 09:19

@BackandForthRoundandRound do you genuinely believe that Hamas have not misused aid and other money that should have been used for governing?

Hiw do you think Hamas operates as an organisation?

Their leaders are in completely different countries. It is well known. As are the suggestions of funding from elsewhere.

The accusations of Hamas stealing all the aid that comes in is the usual excuse for deliberately obstructing any aid from going in.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 09:49

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LasPlagas · 30/01/2024 09:52

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The terrorists are the ones who carried out the terror attack on the 7th October.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/01/2024 10:16

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What do you mean when you say "Israel" here? The whole of the population? The Jewish Israeli population? The government? Netanyahu? The IDF?

DecisionFatigue · 30/01/2024 10:46

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/01/2024 10:16

What do you mean when you say "Israel" here? The whole of the population? The Jewish Israeli population? The government? Netanyahu? The IDF?

The question wasn’t aimed at me but when I say Israel I mean everyone within the population (and beyond) complicit in the terrorising and mass murder of Palestinians since 1948.

There are many Israelis and Jewish people who have visited Israel and seen the reality who tirelessly protest and fight against the Israeli occupation.

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 11:18

@BackandForthRoundandRound Ahhhhh. You've jumped the shark now

HopeThatHelps · 30/01/2024 11:29

newstart24 · 29/01/2024 23:52

people who want Israel to stop the genocide are not Hamas sympathisers, we are decent human beings.

The issue for me is that many posters have seemingly been unable to express sympathy for the subject of my post (that poor young girl). Instead they’ve leapt on this thread to accuse me of wanting to nuke Gaza (WTAF) or being some kind of Israeli agent. Which quite frankly, tells me absolutely everything I need to know about those posters - and it’s not that they’re decent human beings. I’m glad Mumsnet has deleted some of worst posts.

The issue for me is that many posters have seemingly been unable to express sympathy for the subject of my post (that poor young girl)

OP, I am finding your faux-naïveté around this rather irritating.

I imagine you have been around long enough to know that people want to see compassion for both sides. If someone just starts a thread about suffering in Gaza, people will highlight the attack by Hamas on the 7th of October. If you just post sympathy about the Israeli hostages, others will raise concerns about the current victims in Gaza. It’s what happens online.

Of course, it is understandable to be moved by images. But if you just post a photo of an Israeli child from October, whilst not acknowledging the current Gazan children being killed, it is going to elicit a different response from the one you apparently expected. You could have also posted one of the many photographs of children from Gaza, who are also terrified, injured and bereaved. If they also moved you.

The Internet polarises people. I expect most people are in the middle like me. I am also haunted by the terrorist attacks in Israel. I simply don’t know how any parent of the Israeli hostage children gets up in the morning and functions. If I was the mother of the poor young woman who was raped and paraded, I am not sure how I could survive life ever again. At the same time, I am traumatised by the image of injured Gazan children, shaking in fear and covered in bomb debris from attacks happening today.

If you are going to start a post about the Israeli children suffering, without saying you are similarly disturbed by images of Gazan children, at this stage of the ‘game’, you are going to receive the responses you have. I’m not sure you can be surprised. I think you knew what you were doing when you started this thread.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 11:34

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/01/2024 10:16

What do you mean when you say "Israel" here? The whole of the population? The Jewish Israeli population? The government? Netanyahu? The IDF?

@DecisionFatigue post happens to be my thoughts also on that subject.

LasPlagas · 30/01/2024 11:34

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 11:18

@BackandForthRoundandRound Ahhhhh. You've jumped the shark now

They jumped the shark a while ago.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 11:39

LasPlagas · 30/01/2024 09:52

The terrorists are the ones who carried out the terror attack on the 7th October.

You have quoted me and responded with the 7th of October. Israel's behaviour goes back years and years hence why I have said what you quoted. Their actions are that of terror.

History didn't suddenly begin on the 7th of October like so many seem to believe. It didn't come out of nowhere. Israel was also aware for at least a year beforehand what was being planned ~ offical documents have shown that.

Israel has been making life absolute hell for people in both the occupied West Bank and Gaza for years. Blocking aid is not a new thing. Their policiticans have spoken openly about wanting to erase Palestine for quite some time. This is not about Hamas. (Who weren't around when Israel first began their terror crusade)

AbsoluteYawns · 30/01/2024 11:40

@BackandForthRoundandRound

Do you have any sympathy on the treatment of the hostages or are they actually terrorists if I follow your logic.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 11:42

LasPlagas · 30/01/2024 11:34

They jumped the shark a while ago.

One could very well say the same regarding Israeli propaganda

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 11:43

AbsoluteYawns · 30/01/2024 11:40

@BackandForthRoundandRound

Do you have any sympathy on the treatment of the hostages or are they actually terrorists if I follow your logic.

Do you have any sympathy for the countless Palestinian hostages taken by Israel over the years??

Teder · 30/01/2024 11:55

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 11:43

Do you have any sympathy for the countless Palestinian hostages taken by Israel over the years??

I have sympathy for any innocent civilians who is held hostage.

what I don’t understand is why we automatically believe stories from one side and not another? If a woman says she has been raped, I believe her.

LasPlagas · 30/01/2024 12:17

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 11:39

You have quoted me and responded with the 7th of October. Israel's behaviour goes back years and years hence why I have said what you quoted. Their actions are that of terror.

History didn't suddenly begin on the 7th of October like so many seem to believe. It didn't come out of nowhere. Israel was also aware for at least a year beforehand what was being planned ~ offical documents have shown that.

Israel has been making life absolute hell for people in both the occupied West Bank and Gaza for years. Blocking aid is not a new thing. Their policiticans have spoken openly about wanting to erase Palestine for quite some time. This is not about Hamas. (Who weren't around when Israel first began their terror crusade)

You said Israel are the terrorists. Which kind of implies Hamas aren't.

But you're right , October the 7th didn't come out of nowhere. Antisemitism has been around for thousands of years.

LasPlagas · 30/01/2024 12:18

BackandForthRoundandRound · 30/01/2024 11:43

Do you have any sympathy for the countless Palestinian hostages taken by Israel over the years??

Way to avoid the question.

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 12:19

@BackandForthRoundandRound

What Palestinian hostages are held by Israel?

I don't think that word means what you think it does

Yasai · 30/01/2024 12:41

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 12:19

@BackandForthRoundandRound

What Palestinian hostages are held by Israel?

I don't think that word means what you think it does

You know exactly what she means. The thousands and thousands of ‘prisoners’ Israel hold, often without charge for years. A great many are under the age of 17. Those hostages.

hogmanayhoolie · 30/01/2024 12:44

So @Yasai she means prisoners not hostages.

Yasai · 30/01/2024 12:48

Gotta love the cuddly language used by Israel. A female Palestinian prisoner hostage was released during the truce. She had been held since she was 16 and is now 32. Her crime had been to fight back when Israeli settlers invaded her village.

talking of Settlers: case in point. SETTLERS. Not thieves. Palestinians traditionally wear the key to the house stolen from them by these criminals for the rest of their lives.

Doggydoggy · 30/01/2024 12:52

LasPlagas · 30/01/2024 12:17

You said Israel are the terrorists. Which kind of implies Hamas aren't.

But you're right , October the 7th didn't come out of nowhere. Antisemitism has been around for thousands of years.

Well not to butt in or anything, but Islamophobia and the occupation have also been around a very long time.