To be haunted by this (Israel/Hamas)

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The second picture, of the little girl sitting on her mother’s (I presume) knee. My DD is a similar age and I can’t get it out of my head. I just hope she got out of the situation and is ok. This country has its problems but bloody hell, when you think what other people in the world are going through, we are all so lucky to live here.

Israel shares horrific October 7 footage as it denies genocide charge

https://mol.im/a/13005021

It's a tragedy on both sides, bit we're only allowed to talk about one?

Also this entire forum is full of people complaining about, objectively, very minor issues in comparison to the atrocities going on in the world.

Frankly I'll take the testimony of an eye-witness over the speculation of some random on the internet intent upon minimising the suffering inflicted by Hamas. It's frankly ghoulish how some people refuse to believe that Hamas did anything beyond sit down for a tea party unless they can see footage themselves.

I will also believe the eyewitness testimony but it seems on here, in a large part it's.. " me too, unless you're a Jew". It's sickening. I'll link to a BBC report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181

Edited to add...when I spoke of multiplex rapes on children...I was counting children as under 18s as there were multiple rapes of teenagers. So posting that "only" 12 children died is disgusting.

I will also believe the eyewitness testimony but it seems on here, in a large part it's.. " me too, unless you're a Jew". It's sickening.

This. @MNHQ have you actually read the post I reported (and others) and if so, why are you allowing this thread to stand?

and yet, someone says “oh there are lots of videos <out there> showing the IDF killed many Israelis on 7 October!” ummm where?!

let’s deal with facts on both sides, eh?

lies on both sides but you’re only interested in the lies on one side.

also please stop jabbering on about beheaded babies. It’s vile. Any murdered baby is tragic. You have no idea who is reading this forum.

Ahh but the footage was online showing them opening fire on their own. You are aware of the Hannibal Directive, aren't you? As for the other subject, it is an example of proven false Israeli propaganda. A vile, disgusting lie. Another poster is claiming several sickening things which has also been proven to be yet more false Israeli propaganda hence the comparison (given the fact that they have chosen to try to use that subject matter in a deliberate attempt to try to shock people)

So the women who say they've been raped and saw others being raped are lying? The body of the woman who was filmed with her legs spread and her genitals exposed tripped and fell?

The Israeli media are known to spout whatever their government tells them to do. They are known to use footage which was shot for other purposes (by someone not associated with Israel and it has been proven that it was an actual film set some time ago) and post it on X and claim that it is relevant to the here and now. They are one big machine to send out more hatred and dehumanise the Palestinian people.

Also, if they were a bunch of the r words, then why wouldn't any of the hostages have been attacked?? They were all in good health. As for Israel who couldn't care less, given the fact they killed their own waving white flags and have been blowing everywhere up while still claiming they don't know where the hostages are. (They've already killed some due to their liking of bombs)

1. Where has "it been shown" that that poor woman being manhandled between vehicles had blood around her backside due to how she was sitting?

1. I don't know if you are new to Mumsnet but you need to quote the poster to whom you are replying. When you don't do that it just looks like ill informed rants. We wouldn't want that, would we?

This is how you reply to a post

You sound as is you're minimising/supporting terrorism here. Are you?

Do you have evidence for any of this?

And what's the iOf? You keep mentioning it.

They were, according to other hostages.

I seriously doubt they are new to mumsnet...

@revsersalenergy They certainly need their Snickers

Thank you for your thoughtful input ~ I've been having phone issues.

1. Pointing out what Israel is doing usually results in the exact same response that you gave. It is very old now. Israel are terrorising the Palestinian people.

1. israeli Occupying force.

1. Ahh that is not surprising as there was too much positive praise when they were released hence why they were all banned from interviews. Interesting that even doctors at the time claimed that they were all in good health but hey ho. They even left with their dog in good condition.

1. The photos are widely available and I can happily list various accounts which gives an accurate account of what is, and has been, happening in Palestine as mainstream media does not cover it accurately. But something tells me that you are one who even hearing it directly would still be claiming otherwise. (Probably claiming they are made to at gunpoint by Hamas despite them running for their lives from Israeli snipers targeting innocents as always)

israeli Occupying force.

Ah. I notice the lack of capitalisation in Israeli, I assume it's deliberate. How petty.

Probably claiming they are made to at gunpoint by Hamas

Yes, why would they be scared of the people who kidnapped them from their homes after murdering their friends and family in front of them?

You still haven't explained why you think rape victims and eye witnesses are lying.

"Kidnapped from their homes" so all of the journalists (who have so far managed to escape being shot at countless times despite clearly wearing Press vests) have had that happen to them? The journalists who are clearly showing exactly what Israel is and has been doing ~ targeting women and children like cowards.

The iOf are the only ones who have murdered their family and friends. Countless have lost their children due to the iOf. Young children.

All of the scenes showing what is happening at the hospital is clear for anyone to see.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, do you Think your Wise?

Yes, Israeli hostages were kidnapped from their homes.

Let us pray for peace and mankind.

For every life lost, for every child orphaned, for every parent brother sister grieving may this pain stop.

How soon man forgets and never learns from lessons of history.

Still selfish to pursue their own gains at the cost of human life.