To be haunted by this (Israel/Hamas)

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The second picture, of the little girl sitting on her mother’s (I presume) knee. My DD is a similar age and I can’t get it out of my head. I just hope she got out of the situation and is ok. This country has its problems but bloody hell, when you think what other people in the world are going through, we are all so lucky to live here.

Israel shares horrific October 7 footage as it denies genocide charge

https://mol.im/a/13005021

the Hamas fan club is out in force as usual.
Terrorist sympathisers ignoring the fact that retaliation wouldn't have taken place without the disgusting, unprovoked actions of Hamas on October 7th. Retaliation which most of us in the UK
would be calling for if we suffered a similar attack.

It's a shame that Hamas broke the ceasefire by raping and murdering on Oct 7th.
Nobody could've possibly predicted the consequences.

Hopefully anyone hurt on the October 7th attacks had anaesthetic and adequate medical care.

The tens of thousands of Gazan children have https://www.instagram.com/mohammedharar2/

I wonder if all the people justifying genocide will be able to do so quite as easily after seeing some of the reality. They probably will tbh, which I really can't fathom.

Why is it “odd timing”? People are allowed to feel touched by one particular story. Sadly, despite the atrocities of war, life goes on for other people in other countries. I guess we could say that anyone bringing up a sad story in this country is being insensitive given what is happening in other places right now.

I am very saddened by the ongoing tragedy and death and harm to the innocent Palestinian people especially the young children. I can feel sad for lesser tragedies too.

When would be a good time?

Jesus Christ this thread.

people who want Israel to stop the genocide are not Hamas sympathisers, we are decent human beings.

there were two young brothers in Gaza killed recently. Outside their home, possibly trying to go to get food. One was shot and killed by a sniper, the older brother went to get him and had his brother on his back trying to get him back under cover. This brother, who was only trying to rescue his brother, was then shot and killed by a sniper.

how is that acceptable on any level. The vast majority of Palestinians are no threat to anyone. They are people just trying to live, well survive if I’m being honest. Obviously I do not support what Hamas did but that is still no excuse for Israel to massacre and destroy Palestinians (circa 30,000) for over a 100 days. They have killed over 100 journalists during this time, which is a hell of lot more than were killed during previous wars around the world. They’re trying to silence the Palestinians, and destroy every single one.

they are attacking and killing people in the West Bank and destroying houses and communities. There is no Hamas in the West Bank. If they were truly trying to eliminate Hamas they would not be doing anything in the West Bank.

they targeted a terrorist leader in Lebanon (I think, can’t quite remember the country) and it was accurate. If it was truly about destroying Hamas they would be able too. But they’re actually just using it as an excuse to eliminate the Palestinians and takeover their land.

It is possible to say that what Hamas did was abhorrent, and also, the widespread killing of people who did not commit that atrocity is also abhorrent

The whole thing becomes very polarised, very quickly. I don’t think criticism of the IDF is anti-Semitic, I also don’t think having huge sympathy for the people killed at the music festival is anti-Palestinian.

The government in Israel has, in the past, treated the people living in Gaza very badly, this does not excuse terrorist activity, and I still think this is wrong. Hamas have also targeted innocent people, also wrong.

The whole thing is a mess that won’t be solved by chucking insults at each other, and trying to bomb ideologies out of existence (it never works). There is no end in site - I have no doubt that Israel will start to put its own citizens in the land it clears in Gaza, which will only lead to decades more misery all round.

No, Hamas weren't using anesthetics when they ripped babies from wombs, gouged eyes out, tossed severed breasts around for fun, and shot bound captives in the back of their heads, before doing the same to their children.

so many people
seem to ignore the fact that Hamas is sending rockets and bombs to Israel. It is bombing Israel A LOT.

it’s just that Israel has a better defence system and Hamas is losing the war.

if Hamas was winning the war and had the capability that Israel has Israel would have been destroyed in the most brutal way imaginable.

Hamas are not bombing Israel a lot. Even the Israel news sites have said there has been a massive decrease in the number of rockets hitting Israel. I’m not saying they’re not firing rockets but seems that it’s not much at all, at least not compared to other times. I have seen nothing in the uk news about it either, and usually they’re all fucking over it.

i do not agree with Hamas, but the only people losing in this ‘war’ (is it really war, seems more of a complete massacre and destruction of Gaza and Palestinians and also the West Bank, which does not have Hamas) are Palestinians. They are being consistently brutally murdered and injured. I’m not saying Israelis were not murdered and injured but it has not been anywhere on the same level as what Israel is doing to Palestinians (and Syria, yes they have been bombing Syria, which has more than enough destruction already). Last I read was it was around 700 Israeli civilians and 300 odd soldiers.

@Doggydoggy Hamas are bombing less because they are losing the war.

the number of civilians dying are less than in a typical urban war

Hamas continues to put civilians at risk. Fo example - Hamas fighters won’t wear uniforms. This is in itself war crime. It also puts civilians at greater risk.

israel could bomb and kill all of Gaza tomorrow. It is not doing this.

Hamas has clearly stated that it will continue to attack Israel - everyone chanting from the river to the sea are chanting for the full destruction of Israel.

what else can Israel do?

what is shocking is the lack of support and relief for civilians being provided by neighbouring Muslim countries and by international agencies.

@Doggydoggy and again the reason why not as many Israelis have died is because Hamas are losing - if Hamas were winning the war no Jew in Israel wiuld be left alive

No, I don't think either side are using anaesthetic during their attacks, DdraigGoch. But that the country with 18,000 injured children doesn't have any working hospitals left. That's why I linked to the young doctor; him and his patients didn't cause any of this and I don't think their suffering solves anything. https://www.instagram.com/hamdaneldahdouh/

I hoped it was clear that I want all the suffering to stop. And I don't understand people who want more and more of it. Will 30k deaths really make anyone feel better? Will it solve anything?

The Iraq war roughly 100,000 Iraqis were killed in 8 years. In in 3 months a third of that have been killed in Gaza. It’s really not lower.

journalists killed in war zones in the last 3 years sits at around 90, over a hundred have been killed in just 3 months in Gaza.

hamas aren’t an army so why would they wear uniforms?? I’m not supporting hamas here but just spelling out the point.

Israel have been saying from river to sea too, and there’s been very little backlash from anyone about this. Yet when someone supporting Palestine says it everyone is up in arms. The Israeli government want to eliminate all Palestinians from the area. There’s been adverts and plans of the government and some Israelis planning what to do with Gaza. Luxury hotels, and all sorts like that. It’s despicable. The Israeli government (self confessed the only democracy in the Middle East) want to eliminate all Palestinians. A democratic government supported by some of the world’s most powerful countries (supposed democratic and free countries). Hamas are a terrorist organisation and are (rightfully) condemned when they say they want to eliminate Israel. But when a country, ie not a terrorist country or organisation, but a ‘supposedly’ upstanding country, say they want to eliminate Palestinians, why are people supporting this. Many people round the world are supporting this. The us government, the uk, Canada and most of Europe. Do you not see how wrong this is?

im not totally sure what else Israel can do but maybe start with not committing genocide. The Hamas leaders are not in Gaza, they are living it large in other countries. All they’re doing is destroying the lives and homes of innocent people.

yes that is shocking, but it’s also shocking that Israel are letting very little aid into Gaza. That the us has withdrawn support for unwra food aid in Yemen one of the poorest countries in the world. That is more shocking than lack of neighbouring country support. Israel could easily allow food aid to go in, but they’re not, because they want to make the Palestinians suffer.

Hamas will never win, they do not have the capability to destroy Israel. Hamas do not have the support of the richest countries in the world, unlike Israel. Hamas don’t even have the support of many people in its own land. Let alone the richest countries in the world.

the issue here is the Israeli government. Yes Hamas contribute to it but the Israeli government as well as countries like the us, uk, Canada and a lot of Europe, is the ultimate aggressor. Hiding behind the fact they are Jewish and are the descendants of genocide survivors. If they truly cared about ‘never again’ they would not be committing genocide. Or is it okay because they’re only Muslims, they’re Arab, they’re not white.

The iOf have been deliberately targeting civilians and posting videos boasting about it. Raiding people's homes and messing around with their personal belongings. Posing with women's underwear (several different occasions) and calling them all manner of lovely names. Smashing up shops. Destroying schools and then posting TikTok videos of what they feel to be entertaining videos of themselves mocking/insulting/you name it the children who had attended that school.

All of the countless videos where civilian murders in Gaza is laughed about and celebrated. From what is called the world's "most moral army" I am haunted by the many, many images coming from Palestine. Some people like to pretend that history suddenly began in October. It did not. Palestine has been suffering enormously all of these years. Land stolen nonstop. People murdered. Children deliberately targeted by the iOf. Pregnant women. Innocent men.

I hate that we seem to live in world where we can’t agree that bombing and killing over 10000 children in 100 days is wrong and should be stopped by any means necessary.

These children are being mutilated, crushed, bleeding to death, being burned beyond recognition and taking their last breaths alone.

There is no justification for this. Children are innocent.

Is there any reasoning that you would accept for the murder of your own child? We need a ceasefire now

@Pottedfern hamas will not agree to stop attacking israel

@Doggydoggy what do you mean Hamas are not military? Who do you think they are?

they are the military arm of Hamas which.is the government of Gaza?

They have agreed to release the hostages on the basis of a ceasefire. The previous 4 day ceasefire was upheld.

Irrespective of this, I maintain my original message which is that the murdering of thousands of children is unjustifiable and should be stopped immediately. Ceasefire.

They’re not a government army, they’re a terrorist group. The ira never wore uniforms, so in the same sort of vein as a declared (by governments) terrorist group. They wouldn’t have to wear uniforms. Just because Hamas is ‘elected’ to government in Gaza doesn’t mean they’re an actual bonafide organised government in the same way the uk or similar has a government and army and all sorts. Hamas are terrorist fighters. Not exactly an employed governed army. Though then again the IDF is supposedly an employed governed army ‘the most moral in the world’ and wears a uniform but the way they’re behaving you’d easily mistake them for being a terrorist group.

@Pottedfern just saying there should be a ceasefire is a meaningless thing to say.

Hamas went to war with Israel on 7 October on the worst possible way. They’re not going to stop.

Do you seriously think Hamas looks after its children?

of course not. Hamas started a war, took hostages and has totally And utterly failed to protest civilians

@Doggydoggy hamas are the government of Gaza.

where do you think the bbc is getting all its quotes from?

I’ve seen none of these “countless videos”. I have seen a few poor taste ones. Most of what I have seen is innocent children and their families suffering - which is heartbreaking. The injuries and deaths are enough pain.