To be haunted by this (Israel/Hamas)

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The second picture, of the little girl sitting on her mother’s (I presume) knee. My DD is a similar age and I can’t get it out of my head. I just hope she got out of the situation and is ok. This country has its problems but bloody hell, when you think what other people in the world are going through, we are all so lucky to live here.

Israel shares horrific October 7 footage as it denies genocide charge

https://mol.im/a/13005021

Thank you very much - I really appreciate the interview that’s almost poetic. Yeah, I almost feel bad for making it all about Palestinian kids (my later arguments about whole war morality asides). I don’t think OP is bad for feeling bad for injured and dead kids. They all deserve love and mourning. :(((

As you say, Yousef didn’t deserve to die. But neither did Chaim, distant cousin of a family friend who died at the festival. But then no kid ever deserves to die. No kid deserves to be bombed. And some states are much more violent than others. Sei gezund:)))

Do you have proof that Israel are indiscriminately bombing Palestine (assume you mean Gaza)? Have access to their military strategy?

Palestinian kids absolutely shouldn’t have had to or be dying but that’s on the terrorist government of Gaza who deliberately provoked a full scale war by planning (over 2 years from some reports) and carrying out savage mass atrocities on Israeli civilian men, women and children (including those who aided Gazans and promoted peace) as well as taking Israeli babies and children hostage, knowing full well what the retaliation would be without making any attempts to provide places of safety for their own civilians and children and in fact using them as human shields.

One would wonder what Hamas’s actual aim was seeing as they knew they could not win the war against Israel by fighting?

You could assume that it was to deliberately put their adult civilians and children in a battlefield so as many could be killed as possible and it seems they have plenty of support in this as it is only Israel that are being called on to stop the war. Haven’t seen many cries for Hamas to give themselves up. The marches and calls for ceasefires have just strengthened their cause.

I actually find this more abhorrent than Israel attacking Hamas targets to try to eradicate them tbh.

There were plenty of news reports on the existence of the tunnels. Look them up.

@zweisamkeitt it is extremely well documented that among the hostages kidnapped by Hamas there are babies and small children.

even the Guardian has acknowledged there was wide spread brutal sexual violence during the 7 October massacre

You would think so but some of these replies have me shaking my head.

This.

Don't Palestinian children count in 2024?

Nothing to what I accidentally saw on Amir Khan’s wife’s Instagram as it started playing. I’ll never get those images out of my head, poor innocent children - on both sides of this

How fucking DARE you? Everything that poster said is evidenced. How dare you minimise this atrocity?

It is bloody shocking.

@WaterHound

that's why documented evidence however painful is necessary as there those who seek to minimise the events of debt then altogether. Another frustration is that any discussion about the depravity of that day is greeted by 'what about Palestinians'.

Agreed.

The reaction of people celebrating the events of October 7th (particularly people within Gaza, but also elsewhere) was very telling. They made it clear that they weren't celebrating an attack on Israelis, they were celebrating an attack on Jewish people.

I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Not much has changed.

Odd timing to post this when 1000s of Gazan children have been killed and lost parents and conversations are being had about Israel taking it too far, to say the least. Really bizarre of you. And of course it’s a tragedy on both sides — just, to reiterate, a really odd thing to post right now, no?

Yet MORE telling people to STFU about Jewish people being raped and murdered. I find it really disturbing how far some people want just one way of thinking from EVERYONE. Why can’t people be concerned about what’s happening to Jewish people @itsannie86
Why must everyone agree with you?

Imagine if there was an attack on any popular music festival in the UK and Young people in their hundreds were murdered, raped, kidnapped... And in foreign countries the perpetrators gained support... How would the British populace react.... And to clarify I'm not on either side. Genuine question?.

@KarenNotAKaren I don’t know Karen, maybe the ICJ might agree with me?

I don’t think the ICJ condone silencing Jewish people who are fed up of being told to STFU about anti-semitism?

@KarenNotAKaren Karen, being against Palestinian oppression isn’t the same as antisemitism. In fact that’s incredibly offensive to many, many Jews who are strongly anti Zionist.

Why do you keep using my name? You don’t do that to other people.

being against Palestinian oppression isn’t the same as antisemitism.

But that’s not what you’re doing - you’re telling people to STFU for being concerned about Israelis and assumed they don’t care about Palestinians.

In fact that’s incredibly offensive to many, many Jews who are strongly anti Zionist.

I know. And many who ARE Zionists as well. But you have no idea what the OP or others think about Palestinians you’ve just told us to STFU about the mass murder of Jewish people.

The last time That happened, well…you know.

Also please use ‘Jewish people’ not ‘Jews’. I speak for many Jewish people when I saw to many the term ‘Jews’ is offensive and dehumanising.

You quoted me directly and so I replied addressing you with your name. I’m not telling anybody to “stfu” I’m saying it’s odd timing to bring that up when 100s of Gazan children are killed daily, and as I said it’s a tragedy on both sides.

Mass murder of Jewish people: stats are currently 25,105 Palestinian and 1,410 Israeli deaths as you well know, and Palestine aren’t the ones being investigated for potential genocide as I’m sure you also know.

But and however = disgusting

Relevance?