To be sick of vapes everywhere

[MaloneMeadow]

I can’t seem to go anywhere these days without a white cloud of disgusting candy flavoured vapour being blown in my face. It’s gotten to a point where I truly believe that it’s worse than smoking - at least most smokers are well aware that it’s an anti-social behaviour and do it away from other people, and outdoors! With vapers there seem to be absolutely no boundaries or thought that not everyone wants to be covered in their chemical smoke.

Absolutely horrible habit that’s catching on to far too many young children. A ban can’t come soon enough - even my 19 year old DD is sick of her friends being addicted to them. They’re like dummies in some cases, never out of their mouths!

Your post said, The thought of breathing in someone else’s expelled breath is revolting

Expelled breath is expelled breath. Keep away from those panting joggers and cyclists!

I believe that people vape way more than smoking.

It's more 'little and often' than smoking because the nicotine is absorbed differently. You don't get a big sharp hit like you do from a lit cigarette. Vapers generally absorb less nicotine than smokers, even those who use high power devices:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6657878/

If frequency of use is what we should worry about then we had better go after nicotine patch users. They are literally glued to the things 24/7!

Regular breathing is very different to blowing out a cloud of thick, white, still warm and disgustingly sweet smelling smoke

Expelled breath and a vape cloud are not the same thing, and that’s a hill I’m prepared to die on.

FWIW, yes I do tend to avoid people panting over me. Not a fan of hot yoga because of it.

I think the ones that vape are ones that probably would have smoked anyway
So surely it's better they are trying vaping rather than the very real danger of smoking?
Admittedly it's not great but neither is drinking under age or sex or nudes on snapchats but teens are going to.. teen

I started smoking at 12 and yes I would have vaped if that was available
It would have been better for me to vape over the years than develop the 30 a day cigarette habit that I did
They're not a gateway to smoking because smoking is more expensive, more noticeable smell to parents.. lots of reasons

The ONLY reason I was able to quit smoking was a vape. If they were banned, I would still be smoking 30 a day and probably a bigger strain on the NHS

Yes, I have made up two of DD’s friends being admitted to hospital as I have nothing better to do with my life. Well done Sherlock! Get a grip.

We have a lot more science these days and long-term effects have been studied. They have been around since 2003, there are plenty of people who have vaped for over a decade.

I'm a chronic asthmatic who was also a smoker for many years, yes that's dumb but peer pressure was intense, I was easily led and my more serious addictions were the priority back then. Regular chest infections and hospitalisations even before I started smoking tobacco, I've been close to death a fair few times.

Since I started vaping every single negative symptom has gone and my lungs are in the best shape ever going on on my peak flow. I tried every nicotine-replacement therapy going and none hit the spot like a vape.

I never vape around others though and use unflavoured liquid as the sweet sugary ones make me gag. Old fashioned rechargeable type with no discarded batteries, low wattage so not much smoke. I strongly disagree with the idea anyone should have to inhale my fumes, harmless or not. If you hold it long enough there isn't much anyway.

Basic respect for others from vapers would remove so many of the objections and reduce the multiple threads recently peddling the same old misinformation. It is a real pain for 'responsible' vapers that so many peers seem determined to annoy as many non-vapers as possible.

We don’t yet know the long term effects of vaping, so that is questionable at the minute. Multiple young friends of DD (all heavy vapers) have ended up in hospital because of it in recent years.

Source - trust me

It is in regulated TPD compliant e-liquid.

The concern is all those black market disposables being sold to teenagers 'under the counter' at certain corner shops.

From experience they are a gateway to smoking. Vapes are now being seen as chavvy and uncool, so all of the trendsetters in DD’s year are moving on to cigarettes. It’s the same story up and down the UK. What’s even more stupid is that some of these friends are the same ones who begged their parents to stop smoking just a few years ago over fears of lung cancer.. it’s absolutely ridiculous

Yes because tobacco is also dangerous for growing foetuses. They are plenty of publications on the risks of nicotine to the foetus and sperm though. It is well known. They prescribe nicotine replacements and vapes as the lesser of two evils but it doesn't mean they need a whole new generation addicted to nicotine who would never have considered smoking.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/expert-answers/vaping-during-pregnancy/faq-20462062#:~:text=Using%20electronic%20cigarettes%20(vaping)%20during,be%20safe%20for%20your%20baby.

What exactly do you expect me to do? Ask DD’s friends for their medical notes to satisfy you?

Perhaps you need to re-watch as it was made clear that it was not standard vape liquids causing the problem. This was from people using cannabis based oils in vapes.

Most vapers are not vaping cannabis derivatives. Most vape liquids are a base of pharmaceutical grade glycerin and propylene glycol, with food grade flavours.

What exactly do you expect me to do? Ask DD’s friends for their medical notes to satisfy you?

I'm certain 2 people getting pneumonia, which is a secondary infection, miraculously from vaping will be in a research article somewhere.

Anything not purely anecdotal or based on debunked 'research' would be nice.

The funny thing is we seem to be the only country with a major problem with kids using them. Everywhere else they are regulated or prescription only. My brother is living in Australia and says hardly anyone young uses them (he was using one in the UK but gave up because they are not freely available) and young people don't seem to smoke instead.

You say DD friends are all heavy vapers but that two ended up in hospital.
Does that mean that lots of her friends didn't?
I am not condoning young people vaping, I hate it, but I'd rather approach my own children with facts than with stories of "multiple people in recent years".

You sound a generally angry person. Live and let live. There are far worse vices than vaping. Just move out the way if you don’t like it but you’re coming across as someone that doesn’t like anything much

can only assume you haven't watched it @Scampuss

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/06/juul-teen-vaping-settlement-us-states

100% agree it is a gateway - my son and his friends vaped first and now have upgraded to strong cigarettes. Cost a fortune and we cut off money but they are all still smoking. I see countless children his age - 15/16- at it and the shops freely sell to them, np.

Just adding - the government is in absolute denial about this and the retail lobby pretends children are not being targeted and sold to, including with misleading info and outdated research.

it's nicotine, consumed in high quantities cos vapers, especially young vapers,
are sucking on them all day and tend not
to want the nicotine free ones:

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/03/health/fda-ecigarette-seizures-investigation-bn/index.html

I would add also that if you don't have their medical notes, you can't be sure that vaping was the sole cause for their hospital admittance.

You keep away from yoga, and presumably gyms, joggers and other people exercising, because you don’t like panting? Lordy.

And you’d die on what hill? That vaping is not breathing? That vapour annoys you? As has been said already, there is no evidence of risk from ‘passive vaping’. So you’d be dying on a hill of ‘I don’t like the smell’. (And if you did die on that hill, it wouldn’t be from the effects of others’ vapes.)

To borrow your own phrase you used (wrongly) about me, you are a..strange person.

I’m the same, well done on the 2 weeks. Saved a fortune already. Annoyingly though, I couldn’t just pick up a vape in Sainsburys as they were all stupid fruity flavours. I had to go to the local vape shop with dubious opening hours to buy some that actually taste like a cigarette. I’m saving my disposables to send them back for recycling.
I like the disposables for now as they are light like a cigarette, the permanent ones I’ve tried are too heavy for me for now. I’ll hopefully transition over to a permanent one soon.

That's about terrible marketing, not health risks.

Of course they shouldn't be marketed to children. But hyperbole never helps. It didn't help with illegal drugs and it won't help with vaping.