To be sick of vapes everywhere

[MaloneMeadow]

I can’t seem to go anywhere these days without a white cloud of disgusting candy flavoured vapour being blown in my face. It’s gotten to a point where I truly believe that it’s worse than smoking - at least most smokers are well aware that it’s an anti-social behaviour and do it away from other people, and outdoors! With vapers there seem to be absolutely no boundaries or thought that not everyone wants to be covered in their chemical smoke.

Absolutely horrible habit that’s catching on to far too many young children. A ban can’t come soon enough - even my 19 year old DD is sick of her friends being addicted to them. They’re like dummies in some cases, never out of their mouths!

Obviously the op knows better than the.medical university lecturer's that say vaping is safe.

It's absolutely vile, as is smoking. It stinks and is disgusting.....coming from an ex smoker of 3 years!!

They're based on the idea, but snus is usually tobacco which has a lot of problems. The modern pouches are just nicotine and some flavouring I think, more like vaping but no actual vapour.

It's not the same
You don't have the same action as smoking (hand to mouth) and they also burn. I tried nicotine gum to quit once and it was a really unpleasant burning sensation, the pouches do the same thing
The reason vaping has been so successful is because it's almost a direct replacement, you get the same feeling as smoking with a nicotine throat hit and the same action

Yes, the ones in the UK are not snus, they're nicotine pouches. They're wads of plant based filling material with nic salts and flavourings in.

Snus is tobacco but unlike other kinds of oral tobacco it is not associated with an increased risk of oral cancers. The tobacco is treated differently and it doesn't produce anywhere near the same levels of tobacco specific nitrosamines. Snus was the preferred form of tobacco in Sweden for generations and this has greatly contributed to Sweden's very low rates of smoking and tobacco related diseases compared with other european countries.

This evidence review found that smokers who switched to snus had a similar risk profile for cancers and cardiovascular disease as smokers who quit tobacco altogether.

https://europepmc.org/article/MED/23454227

Snus is banned in the UK and across the EU except for Sweden. Nicotine pouches are not banned but neither are they regulated except for general consumer product safety regs.

Why would you make vapes only available in pharmacies when you can buy actual deadly cigarettes in any corner shop? Why make the safer alternative more difficult to buy than tobacco?

You'd have no objection from me if access to cigarettes became more difficult. But I seldom see kids smoking so I don't believe that there's currently a big problem. Vapes on the other hand seem to be everywhere.

Water bottles don't contain batteries that catch fire when put in the waste compactor.

But yes, I can't stand litter bugs and am trying to remove single-use plastics from my own life.

Visits to bars in Germany have made me very glad that the UK have a total ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces. Filthy habit, take it outside.

I mean yeah, you are not unreasonable to be annoyed and it shouldn’t be done indoors in public settings but as for others commenting on how it looks ridiculous yada yada who cares? If it’s stopped lifelong smokers from smoking cigarettes then good for them!

I don't get the 'dummy' comments.

Surely a dummy is something that is permanently in the mouth? I've never seen a vaper walking round with one stuck in their mouth.

Hyperbole doesn't help in these situations, it just makes you sound like you don't know what you are talking about.

I think the vapes that chuck out huge wafts of steam are called something like 'cloud' vapes. I agree, I'm not keen on them and don't really see the appeal, but I also don't see the issue with 'normal' vapes. Frankly I'd much rather smell the fruity, cleaner smells of vapes than the dirty smoky smells of fags and weed that hang around far longer and stick to clothing, bags and even books!

They should be made available from pharmacies only and nowhere else.

That hyperbole is quite accurate in my experience when it comes to teens these days.. vapes have become the new phones, can’t go anywhere without them! A few of DD’s friends are so addicted that they genuinely wouldn’t be able to get through the day without having one in their hand or mouth half the time.

I mentioned to another parent I didn't understand how easily they get them. Apparently they buy them off places online. That's quite a worry of what they are buying and what's in them. I don't know personally how accurate this is but unless parents are getting them or older siblings they have to readily be getting them somewhere. I did see a parent once purchase a vape without the canister (is that what it's called) so the child could pretend they were vaping. The pressure must be immense.

Apparently in DD’s school a few boys in her year were re-selling them after bulk buying online.. that’s how she managed to get her hands on one at 15!

Presumably you would ban alcohol as well?
What about things like paracetamol?

It’s about predisposition.

@exLtEveDallas They are sub-ohm vapes that you inhale direct-to-lung, meaning you can inhale much more and much more naturally too (same as you breath direct to your lungs). So the exhale is far bigger and more satsifying, more flavour. It also produces big clouds which some folk really like, though its not necessary to do that, it will still be a bigger exhale than a mouth to lung vape.

Its a faster nicotine hit and you're not sucking it into your mouth, then to lungs (as you would with a cigarette or if you sucked a straw in a drink) which is probably better for mouth hygiene/teeth.

Where did I mention banning anything?

At least engage your brain if you’re going to try to be smart.

At least I avoided being rude to you.

I object to disposable vapes because they are are so utterly obnoxious and unnecessary. The same can't really be said about yoghurt (margarine maybe)

I hate it too and just cigarettes in general. It’s disgusting. If you breathe it in, it’s the smoke that’s come out from someone else’s lungs because they’ve blown it out 🤢

Disposable vapes are officially being banned, further details coming from the government tomorrow!! Thank goodness, definitely a big step in the right direction. Very timely - has Rishi been reading on MN? 😆

I mean I'm a vaper and still agree with disposable vapes being wasteful
It's really easy to get a simple set up that will last years

On the other hand this is why there needs to be clear messaging that popcorn lung isn't a thing with vaping and it is safer than smoking

Comment on Facebook I saw from a friend
"Having seen all the reports about what that shit does your your lungs, I'll stick to my cigarettes"

How have we ended up in a situation where smokers think smoking is safer than nicotine replacement with a vape? Even when stop smoking, NHS and cancer research all agree it is safer

The government statement explicitly says that concerns over long term health impact have factored into the ban. Re: the smoking is safer than vaping comment, that is alarming and I’d be amending my friends list