Male born person wins women’s golf tournament and is now “worried about his safety” - interviewed by GMB (Title edited by MNHQ)

[HermioneKipper]

Why the hell are GMB gaslighting women with this stuff?

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1749329378352275568

This is an enormous male-bodied person - even larger than the interviewing man!

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I vaguely remember there is something very specific about womens elbows and golf ability, which wont have been impacted by surgery of hormones.

Wait, back up. Gwen Stefani is a terf? I had no idea! 😍

But I also believe that the vast majority of trans women don’t want to hurt anyone and don’t deserve to be spoken about without any thought to their feelings

Well let's take the man in question here. Has he been thinking of the feelings, respect, safety and opportunities of the women he's denying here? Uh ... no.

So why all the concern for his feelings from you?

What are 'transphobes'?

I have no problem being called a TERF - "trans-exclusionary"....yes definitely,
Terfs want to exclude blokes in wigs and frocks from women's sports and safe spaces. "Radical feminist" .... as a 2nd gen radical feminist I have no problem with the appellation. The only problem is finding a company that will print "TERF AND PROUD" on a t-shirt.

I note they have turned comments off...now why would that be?

Never mind, Billy Bragg should be along soon to call us all 'terfs' for thinking this is unfair, you can usually count on him.

It’s possible to strongly disagree with what a person is doing without hating and denigrating the person. You say he’s doing something cruel and wrong - I don’t necessarily disagree - but I think the issue is that we need clear, consistent and fair guidelines and proper categories to accommodate trans women in sport. Many people are weak when presented with an opportunity to succeed. It doesn’t mean he’s evil or cruel or criminal (which would change my feelings on the matter significantly), just taking advantage of an unfair situation.

tbh i would, in this golfer's shoes, have been much more circumspect about going public with all this.

I do sometimes wonder if this golfer (and the Spanish soldier, the Canadian teacher with the massive prosthetic boobs) are doing 2 things. 1. taking the money, going for a payoff for breaking equality legislation, unfair dismissal etc and 2. trying to highlight, through their ridiculous actions, where blind acceptance and #BeKind get us?

in the golfer's shoes, i wouldn't have entered the competion to be fair, i would be regretting going public and being ridiculed and shining a spotlight on myself in particular, and the rules about trans women in golf in general.

Agree 100%.

TW in women spaces/sports requires serious and urgent discussion but to call using pronouns of choice as “gaslighting women” is hyperbolic, especially in an article where “born male” is used. Helps no one. Same behaviour as TRAs.

It's astonishing how warped our world is today. All this crap about men choosing to be women and visa versa. Misgendering. Cis. Terf.

It's all a load of bollocks.

A man cannot, under any circumstances, become a woman simply because he 'feels like it' he can pump all the hormones into his bloodstream he likes, he can have surgery to give him breasts and female genitals. He still won't ever be a woman.

FACT.

All this gender shit needs to stop. You're born either male or female and it cant be changed.

and while I'm at it...They refers to more than one, therefore is plural, should never have been used in reference for an individual who doesn't feel like they want to be referred to as their biological sex. It's ridiculous.

It’s possible to strongly disagree with what a person is doing without hating and denigrating the person.

It's not 'hating and denigrating ' to say he's a man. It is just fact.

Berefugee - do you understand the life long benefits of male puberty? Biological males have no place in women’s sport.

Men aren't 'unsafe' by being kept out of women's sports.

Do you care about the hurt felt by women and girls who have spent their whole lives training, just to lose to a man who decided he was a woman last week?

Because we all have a choice about our behaviour. In the words of Michelle Obama.

“When someone is cruel or acts like a bully, you don't stoop to their level. No, our motto is: 'When they go low, we go high'.”

Same behaviour as TRAs..really? REALLY?.

you appear to be mistaking me for someone who thinks trans women should be allowed to be in women's sport.

I have taken part, in my sadly long gone youth, in sports at county level. The sport i used to do is getting pretty TWAW i think. I'd be at the barricades if i were still participating.

When someone is cruel or acts like a bully, you don't stoop to their level.

Im not 'stooping', I'm stating facts.

Women are missing opportunities and respect to facilitate a cheating, entitled man. Why should anyone facilitate that, in any way?

Of course they aren’t. I was talking about wider issues such as being forced to use men’s tollets and changing areas. Women shouldn’t be made to feel unsafe by allowing trans women in, but separate spaces should be created so that trans women can have the same security.

I have already said many times that I don’t believe that trans women should be in women’s sports as it’s unfair.

Brefugee said this:

(as an aside: I'm not terfy because i don't want trans women in women's sports. If they're not having testosterone, I'm happy for trans men to be in women's sports, and generally in women's spaces. I am therefore trans inclusive)

'Trans men' are females. They have not had lifelong benefits of male puberty, what with being female.

The people who had male puberty are males, often called 'trans women'.

This is confusing so many of us decided a long time ago to stop calling anyone trans as it is part of the misinformation that leads people to be even more confused.

the hyperbolic language is laughable. Saying TWAM is "genocide" and "literal violence"

Everything short of "oh yes you are a real biological woman and way better than us cis women who are ugly and useless" is "transphobia"

It needs laughter and sunlight. Which is a good cure for lots of things.

Again for clarity: biological people should have their own sporting categories. If trans people want to do sport, they either go with biology or campaign for their own categories. Where's the petition, I'll sign and share.

I would never condone death threats, but they are quick to complain when the boot is on the foot, it's usially GC WOMEN who receive rape and death threats and lose their jobs and their competitions.

It needs laughter and sunlight. Which is a good cure for lots of things.

Exactly. Not mangling of reality on the name of 'kindness' (to men, because it's all extremely unkind to women)

Trans women aka men already have spaces, called 'the gents' or 'male changing rooms'.

They wouldn't use seperate spaces. They are after the ones the women are in.

Once again calling a man a man is not hate. It's the truth. An important truth in this situation.

What I'm taking from your posts is a need to be seen as a good, kind person who always does the 'right' thing. A man like this would just see an opportunity to use that against you and treat you like a doormat. I can guarantee he would not give even the tiniest fuck about your feelings or the feelings of any other women trying very hard to be kind.

This is part of why we are in this mess.

Again, I don’t disagree with you. It’s my opinion that you can fight for women without being deliberately disrespectful. I just don’t feel that one has to copy the behaviour of someone we disagree with in order to ‘win’ the fight.