Male born person wins women’s golf tournament and is now “worried about his safety” - interviewed by GMB (Title edited by MNHQ)

[HermioneKipper]

Why the hell are GMB gaslighting women with this stuff?

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1749329378352275568

This is an enormous male-bodied person - even larger than the interviewing man!

Post edited by MNHQ

You're right. It's very clear that transwomen hate women and will do anything to ruin their sports opportunities.

”My whole philosophy behind all of this is I don’t believe trans people should be banned from sports, but I do believe there needs to be guidelines in effect," Davidson said.

Such lies. No one, and I mean no one, not even the most conservative states in the US are banning trans people from sports. They are just making them follow THE SAME RULES AS EVERYONE ELSE: play on the team of your sex and no doping.

I am not anti trans.

I am pro women.

Trans people are more than welcome to live their life as they see authentic to them. Carry on.

But women and their rights must be protected.

Trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sports or enter spaces where women could be vulnerable such as toilets and changing rooms.

I feel this is very logical and pragmatic and I really cannot understand how things have managed to get this far.

In my opinion, any male in women's sports is a cheat and a bigot but even people who show such disregard for others should not get death threats.

This whole farce is so depressing.

Average (exc big hitters) PGA drive = 300 yds

HD (pre transition) = 250 / 275 yds

Average LPGA = 250 yds

When you hit off a tee, there’s nothing stopping your swing - it’s all club head speed. Very different from hitting off the green / rough.

Also, general fitness / stamina for going around the course.

See also tactical play - which club you’d use to hit which part of the fairway. It’s not always about driving long distances. So if you play tactically - rather than distance, your driving distances reduce = your overall driving averages reduce.

Tactical round play or overall tactical play (see Lia Thomas re speed).

Or maybe it's still up because he's a bloke.

well they could report that a man who claims to be a trans woman has taken away opportunities from women golfers, and is getting threats. None of those actions is ok.

Dear MN - please don't. Stop hiding perfectly normal posts where the people who can't see what's happening fear to tread.

please report the hateful posts.
You'll have a job finding them, tbh

I do think there are issues arising from trans women competing in women’s sports. However one can have discussions about this while remaining respectful and considerate of the feelings of others. Deliberately misgendering a person is wrong. The othering you are engaging in is even worse. It costs nothing to be kind.

Absolute bollocks. Nothing hateful about it.

People are simply stating facts.

I can’t understand anyone (but especially women) who don’t get worked up about this.

Handmaidens.

Erm it's cost women everything. Calling men 'she' in order to 'be kind' is why this bullshit has flourished in the first place.

Why do we have to be respectful of these men?

i agree that in person, standing opposite them or referring to them (say at work) in the 3rd person it would be impolite to "misgender" them. By calling a trans woman "he" for eg.

But talking about someone fairly abstractly (trans women are men) - meh. They are. That is the single qualification to be a trans woman. So as long as the rest of the statements aren't against guidelines, i fail to see how it is wrong. It is impolite at worst. Truthful (much as people don't like the truth) at worst.

And i think it would be wrong for MN to move or delete this, because as we know, there are STILL people who see "trans woman" written and think "oh yes that's a woman who wants to be a man" because they only read vague articles,and want to #BeKind.

Useful info about men v women performance in sport. How are we even in a place where people think men in women’s sports is ok?

Women’s sports are for women. Men belong in men’s sports . We want our fucking stuff back!

Op I’m with the majority vote yanbu

Males shouldn’t have this advantage in female sports

Exactly and IMHO, any male demanding to be called she is committing an act of oppression. We need to be able to stand up against such male violence. Pronouns are sex not identity based.

The amount of posters jumping on this thread to berate the OP and anyone that agrees with them is sickening.

This is why I don't want to compete in my sport any more. One of my few pleasures in life taken away from me by men.

He's not a cheat if the rules allow it, but I agree he should stay out of women's sport.

Death threats are never right, nobody should live in that sort of fear whatever the situation. Let's just make that very clear.

However, this person is male, and should not be competing against women.

There is NO science to “Pre transition yes I had an advantage but since then depsite the fact my size, bones and muscle mass have not change, I have put on lipstick and changed my name so obviously that makes my skills all girly and me and the 8 stone woman are totally the same.”

so no I will not listen to him. and I will ever not be convinced that this BS isn’t the most regressive thing we’ve seen in modern times

A man dominating women’s sports?! I’m shocked.

I’d argue that one should be respectful of everyone. I don’t agree with trans women in women’s sport. I would have that discussion all day long. I just can’t see what being rude and nasty brings to the argument. If a person was called Fred but asked me to call them John I would just do it because it matters to them. If a person is born male but wants to be female, that in itself doesn’t hurt me but it matters to them so why would I not respect that?

Yes there are huge issues around this that need to be sorted out but this should be done via rational debate and discussion. Being deliberately hurtful helps no one. And I’d say that on both sides of the argument.

@Overcooker can you explain which part of this confuses you or is progressive? Cutting a penis off does not make the rest of you a woman