Are mumsneters TERFs

[ChedderGorgeous]

I started a thread on the new taskmaster line up here. This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs. AIBU to suggest this isn't the general perception of others when you have mentioned mumsnet ? Ps. I still haven't heard of John Robins !

I'm a TERF!

No, I completely agree, and I also agree that some sex based spaces are necessary. But many posters openly say they are anti trans and deny the possibility of a person being assigned the wrong gender at birth.

I am not anti trans

I am pro women

deny the possibility of a person being assigned the wrong gender at birth.

But what does this even mean? Gender is a social construct. You're not 'assigned' anything at birth.

No child is 'assigned gender at birth'. Our biological sex is unambiguous in the vast, vast majority of cases and it is observed, noted, and we are called a girl or a boy.

Don't know don't care it's just my opinion do I believe that someone has gone through the operation to change their sex don't have male organs anymore have taken hormones then yes I believe they have a right to call themselves female.

Do I believe someone throwing on a pair of women's underwear or dressing as a women or just simply taking hormones then the answer is no they are still men.

"But many posters openly say they are anti trans and deny the possibility of a person being assigned the wrong gender at birth."

Any sensible person would deny the possibility of gender being wrongly assigned at birth, because gender isn't assigned at birth. Sex is observed at birth or before. No doctor says "this child will grow up to like stereotypically masculine things and want a stereotypically masculine appearance", which is what assigning gender would logically entail.

If any poster claims to be anti-trans, then it should be reported as that's unacceptable, and preferably screenshotted, as receipts/evidence have been asked many times for these anti trans claims that pop up and none, that I've seen anyway and I've asked, have been provided to date.

Not everyone here is gender critical, but because it's one of very few places where you can express gender critical views, it attracts people who want to do so. I know that's the main reason I came here back in 2017.

@CharlotteRumpling same here, don't dare speak freely at work

I work in children's welfare. Have asked on numerous occasions that our CPD should include gender issues. No response, presumably cos it's so controversial

you're far more likely to encounter terfs, and biological realists on mumsnet because it's an anonymous forum where people can be real and say what they actually think. Rather than spout "kind" platitudes such as twaw. Which they're not. And never will be.
You only have to look at X to see how much pushback TRAs get. And of course the ones who have their settings so tight so as only echo chamber responses ping back. Stonewall and Mermaids had to stop replies because of pushback to their batshit pronouncements.

The overwhelming majority of people in the UK and around the world for that matter believe that trans ideology has gone too far and actively discriminates against women and girls and ruins the language if we're forced to play nicely with legal fictions.

Like calling male bodied humans who want to have sex with females "lesbians" because they wear lippy and have opted for she/her pronouns.

It's a TV show where comedians do insane tasks for 10 weeks in an attempt to win a golden head that looks nothing like Greg Davies.

It is exactly as stupid as it sounds and is also the best thing ever to be shown on British TV

I don't believe you can change sex. However, I'm not a feminist.

Terms like TERF, woke, feminist etc are all pretty meaningless these days as everyone seems to have a different opinion as to what they mean and stand for.

I do not believe it is transphobic to tell the truth - people cannot change their biological sex, and I will not be compelled to lie.

All of you know very well what I mean.

A baby is assigned a sex/gender at birth, but when the baby grows up it may feel a different gender from the one it was assigned at birth. But many of you appear to think a person cannot change gender, with all the references to a 'man in a dress and lipstick' etc. It isn't just about the biological sex we are born with.

But many posters openly say they are anti trans and deny the possibility of a person being assigned the wrong gender at birth.

Do you know what you are saying here, or are you just parroting what you have heard?

Firstly, no one is assigned a gender at birth.

Transgender people say that gender is an inner feeling. Once you are old enough to understand that humans bodies have two different sexes and that certain stereotypes are attached to those sexes via clothing, colours and other external fabrications, you may feel that your gender does not match your sex. Not everyone agrees with this but that is how it is explained.

It is therefore impossible for a doctor or midwife to assign a gender. The newborn itself is not capable of that sort of thought process.

So the medical staff and parents observe the baby's sex.

Therefore, denying the possibility of being assigned the 'wrong gender' at birth is not anti-trans, it's a simple fact.

I get that you may not have thought about this and realised how illogical a statement it is though and that's the main problem really.

Every single one of these threads I am always impressed by the analytical intelligent arguments by GC posters based in fact and aghast at the staunchly TWAW posters who have nothing to offer in reply but insults and the emotional wailing of "be kiiiind!" (but evidently not to vulnerable women and children).
Can one of you please explain to me what exactly a woman is if not biologicalreality or the manifestation of gender stereotypes? Never yet had an answer to that one.....

A baby is assigned a sex/gender at birth

Really?

I'm pro-women's rights, I believe sex matters and is immutable, and I've also watched every Taskmaster episode at least once plus some of thr NZ ones ... what does that make me?

deny the possibility of a person being assigned the wrong gender at birth

well it is impossible. Your biological gender is observed at birth. Nobody is born into the wrong body no matter what they or others perceive to be ‘wrong’ with it. Rejecting societal gendered constructs still doesn’t make your biology wrong, it makes society wrong.

See this is the sort of nonsense lie that gender ideologues have to make up 'gender critical' (not a fan of that term) women.

It is an out an out lie to say there is debate about trans people's right to public life and right to exist. An absolute lie.

That is not the debate at all.

I am glad I have always held it as a core principle that I go to the source before I form an opinion on anything. I do not form my views after only reading what ' 'my side' claims the other side said. I actually go and read from the 'other' side themselves say they are saying, in their own words, on their own terms. ( not just some you tube video critiquing them either).

I suggest @TippiHedrin starts to do this to.

Please explain to me what a woman is whilst not referring to either biology or socially constructed gender stereotypes ie dress, mannerisms, names, hair

you're far more likely to encounter terfs, and biological realists on mumsnet because it's an anonymous forum where people can be real and say what they actually think. Rather than spout "kind" platitudes such as twaw.

Yes! Even celebrities who publicly are seen to support the ideology can come here and discuss their true opinions. It's a mistake to think that just because people are afraid to speak out, they are not against the removal of rational, logical and necessary safeguarding, particularly for women and girls.

Do you think grown men should get changed next to your little girl? You're a Terf

Do you think your infirm granny should receive intimate care from women but not men? You're a terf

Do you think women and girls should be able to play rugby without men? You're a terf

Do you think lesbians are not sexual racists if they refuse to sleep with men? You're a terf.

You're mixing up sex and gender.
That is considered transphobic by many - if they are the same you would not have trans people.

You need to be clear which one you mean.

No it isn’t. The baby’s genitals are observed and then recorded as male or female. They don’t look at a baby and say “hmmm that one might be a girl when he’s older to register it as a girl”