Are mumsneters TERFs

[ChedderGorgeous]

I started a thread on the new taskmaster line up here. This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs. AIBU to suggest this isn't the general perception of others when you have mentioned mumsnet ? Ps. I still haven't heard of John Robins !

I would probably find it really upsetting. But I (hope I) would prioritise loving and accepting my child over my own feelings about what they do with their body.

I would also probably try to explain that being a girl isn’t just about our body, but about lots of other things as well.

Can you give an idea of what you mean?

To be honest I think that’s more to do with how entrenched people’s opinions are on this subject; and less to do with the quality of my explanations. I think it would probably be easier to understand for a child.

@Tandora How can a child give meaningful consent to medications which are likely to sterilise them and may deprive them of future sexual pleasure as well as shorten their lives?

What other things? How can you explain what a girl is, other than her body, without resorting to sexist stereotypes?

Gender identity, gender roles and gender expression.

Well it’s true that children will often swallow lies like ‘born in the wrong body’. 😔

Such as? An explicit example. It’s hard to know if you mean a girl should not do an activity for example and that’s part of what a girl is

Gender identity, gender roles and gender expression.

But what does this mean? What are these? I can't really follow your posts as they don't make much sense to me (sorry) but I haven't seen where you have explained these.

But this seems to be explicitly saying that being a girl is about conforming to sexist stereotypes - what else could you possibly mean by gender roles and expressions? Interesting also, that you put gender identity in here, which would appear to be an admission that gender identity to you means conforming with sexist stereotypes.

Its really depressing that we now have educated younger women, who have indoctrinated themselves with gender ideology into believing being a girl is about conforming to sexist stereotypes and who think it is the right thing to pass this message onto their daughters.

I teach my boys that there are not girls things or boys things (other than toilets etc) so that they know the whole range of human experience and potential is open to them.

for all those asking I set out the criteria for being a girl, I answered this in a previous post which I will try to find

To be fair you haven't answered basic questions like:
What you mean by male/ female, man/ woman. Gender identity. What you see the difference as being between men and women. All these things are absolutely core to your position, but you don't say what you mean by them.

I don't think its really fair to say its not the quality of your explanations, when, when asked, you don't actually give explanations.

Same I can’t think of anything dd would do that means she is not a girl.

The sexist stereotypes are not helpful for dc and that’s before you get to unclear (and imo harmful) ideology

Here

I am a feminist who knows people can't change sex. I'm not a Radical Feminist. I have been called a Terf, it didn't bother me.

I've been called much worse.

Yes. This does sound like potentially outrageous things to say to a child. You're not a girl if you don't like frocks and dolls? You're not a girl if you're not happy doing 80% of the housework? all girls wear make up?

This is not an answer. This is you trying to defend why you cannot answer the question.

You use the term gender roles and gender expression in this post. People are asking you what you mean by this for a girl. Are you able to answer this?

That’s just terrible, you don’t actually believe that do you?

That is not a ser of criteria by any stretch of the imagination. Please give concrete examples.

I do not think that being a girl is defined by sexist stereotypes. I reject sexist stereotypes of all varieties and spend most of my life trying to challenge them. I understand trans-misogyny to be routed in sexist stereotypes, and try to challenge these as well.

Yes

Do you believe there's no way to love and accept your child but also have them reach a point where they don't want to mock up the opposite sex body? because the evidence would suggest you're wrong. That's what used to happen when the Tavistock did its job properly and before people got really rigid again about gender roles and expression.

It’s this kind of manipulation that makes it so so hard to constructively engage as much as I try:.
No being a girl does not mean wearing dresses and makeup and doing 80% of the housework. 🤬

Good. So what is it? its not manipulation when you're refusing to answer. Your victim complex is ridiculous. Just give us the criteria everyone is asking for.

So what do you mean by gender roles and expression for a girl?

Its very hard to see what this means if not sexist stereotypes.

The only way to demonstrate you do not mean sexist stereotypes by these terms is to say what you do mean.

SO far you have been asked this repeatedly, but have failed to answer. That does make it look like you are avoiding the question because you can't answer without resorting to sexist stereotypes.

Honestly interested in your reply.