ANOTHER war. Anyone else feel terrified of what could come

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Breaking news; UK signing off on air strikes against Yemen. Is this just going to get worse ?

Since having kids this honestly petrifies me. This world is a mess! I feel like it's one thing since another ever since Covid nothing has felt the same at all! Life before that almost feels completely different and a blur ! Anyone else?

Do you have another cliché you want to throw in here?

We've had the NHS, the "we are a tiny nation", "but France and Germany?" and now America's puppy?

@zendeveloper but Britain is behaving like a superpower, when we are far from it, the taxpayer is going to pay for this. Is it really the UKs job to protect the worlds energy supply chains?

If you disagree with the strikes carried out, are you suggesting we should just allow Houthis to fire at will at our peaceable commerical ships, and at our military ships escorting them, and just shrug it off?

To be clear, diplomacy and warnings failed. It hasn't just happened overnight. You can't just allow terrorists to fire at will and risk the lives of thousands of people (not to mention other, longer term casualties).

Yes, let's do nothing, pretend it has nothing to do to us, and spin the wheel on how much higher energy and food costs can go up. Fun.

Whose job is it then, globally, to ensure that British people have something to eat, wear and their houses are warm? Serious question. China? US? Private merchant companies forming private armies, like in the 18th century? Who should sort the issue out?

Also do you not see the irony of saying the UK should be spending our military budget on the NHS instead of "getting involved" in another country's conflict (which isn't quite true, but let's let that slide) , when the Houthis control vast swathes of Yemen, one of the poorest and most deprived populations in the world and have millions of pounds worth of weaponry.

FYI- France and Germany are involved. Their ships are already using rockets to take down Houthi attack drones. But the EU are still deciding on air strikes. It takes them longer to come to a collective agreement. But they can’t afford to let the suez be blockaded either.

As for comments about starting trade with Russia again- absolutely the most stupid comment I’ve heard in a long while. Do find it entertaining that people who are anti-Israel seem to be massively pro-Putin. What do you think he’s do with all that trade money? That’s right, massacre Ukrainians.

Good question

@youngones1 it’s worth thinking on this rather than reaching for a cliche phrase

This time 1000.

I do wonder if most people objecting to this know the oppressive, inhuman situation in which Yemeni women are forced to live. Yemen has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in the world because women there are not allowed to go to school and aren’t allowed to be attended by male doctors. It is barbaric.

err no one said that, i was replying to the poster who said that trade is more important than morals, as trade keeps us warm... if true lets trade with anyone shall we.

On Russia, maybe ask Sunak if he is pro Putin? his wifes family (and Sunaks family financially benefits) from trade with Russia, in fact its India and China finance Putins war in Ukraine.

Who is seeking closer trade and investment links with India... mmmm i wonder!

@jasflowers

Your post makes no sense. It’s just a load of irrelevant whataboutery.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/22/he-treated-me-as-a-slave-women-face-rising-violence-amid-war-in-yemen

Is this in line with your morals?

@jasflowers

"On Russia, maybe ask Sunak if he is pro Putin? his wifes family (and Sunaks family financially benefits) from trade with Russia, in fact its India and China finance Putins war in Ukraine.

Who is seeking closer trade and investment links with India... mmmm i wonder!"

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Oh dear the "ever so insightful" conspiracy theorists at it again.

That somehow Sunak and his wife are secretly pro Putin and involved in some secret plot (through both being of Indian origin) to encourage Putin's invasion of Ukraine and continue the war in order to financially benefit somehow from their Indian connections.

I guess the rest of us are naive not to see your clever insights.

How far back would you like to go? 1967 where Egypt blockaded Israel's access to the Red Sea? The 1945 Tripoli pogrom? Hebron in 1929? Alexandria in 38AD?

I am disturbed by the number of marchers in London who are minimising, defending or even celebrating the actions on October 7th - the very same people who are now taking the same side as the thugs who have been terrorising the people of Yemen for years - thugs who have now started targeting our interests directly. Corbyn and his Stop the War mob (they've been quiet whenever Russia does the firing, I notice) are like the "Anyone but England" clowns, only this is far more serious than a sporting event.

The body count in Gaza may be high (no wonder when Hamas goes out of its way to ensure that civilians get caught in the middle), and the response was certainly disproportionate but the sheer brutality seen on October 7th is beyond anything I've ever heard of. Pressing a button to launch a missile is easy, you're never going to see the victim - and any civilians weren't the target. Shooting a young woman - a festival goer, not a combatant - at point blank range on the other hand - before or after tossing her severed breast around - requires one be so cold blooded it wouldn't register on the Kelvin scale. How about torturing parents while their kids are forced to watch, not forgetting to eat their dinner before leaving?

Most of the people attacked on October 7th weren't combatants; they were attendees at a peace camp, or residents of kibuttzim - people more disposed than anyone towards pacifism and harmony.

This is the fault of Hamas and its backers.

You could try reading through the last 15 pages, but I'll help you out.

If we do nothing then what money we do have will be worthless. There won't be an NHS.

Do they have any forward operating bases in the Eastern Med? The French carrier is in dock in Toulon I believe so no launching air strikes from that either (I understand that ours are likewise in port, QE has just finished a deployment and is preparing for the next one, hence the RAF using air-to-air refueling to travel all the way from Cyprus).

Please write the following passage out 100 times so that it sinks in:

The Houthis fired missiles at our ships.

A useful timeliness to help understand what has happened so far:

7 October 2023: Hamas attacks Israel, killing 1,200 and taking hundreds of others hostage. Israel then launches a retaliatory campaign, which is still going on today and has so far killed more than 23,000

14 November 2023: The Houthis, having announced their support for Hamas, vow to target Israeli-linked ships travelling through the Red Sea

19 November 2023: A cargo ship is hijacked by the Houthis - by this point, Houthis have already fired several missiles and drones towards Israel, all intercepted by US warships in the region

15 December 2023: A number of major shipping companies, including Maersk, announce they are pausing all journeys through the Red Sea

31 December 2023: US Navy helicopters sink three Houthi speed boats during an attempted attack on a container ship

3 January 2024: The US, UK and 10 other states issue a joint statement warning the Houthis they will face consequences if they continue the attacks

10 January 2024: The UN Security Council passes a resolution demanding an immediate end to the Houthi attacks. At this stage, the Houthis have launched more than 20 attacks on ships

11 January 2024: The US and UK repel a large attack in the Red Sea and hint at military action

12 January 2024: The US and UK carry out air strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen, hitting more than 16 sites

14 January 2024: The US military shoots down a missile it says was fired towards one of its warships from a Houthi area of Yemen

Also from a professional war journalist that has been watching conflicts for years:

"Personally I’m amazed but not at all shocked that the same people who think we should have let Gaddafi slaughter Libyans with impunity because slave markets were built in the lawlessness that followed intervention are now supporting the group that reintroduced slavery to Yemen."

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1746160905207869713

I think what is missing from that timeline, Truly is that the Houthis said that they would target Israeli linked ships but actually have attacked a bunch of ships that have nothing to do with Israel.

Yes a few things I would like to add onto it. This was a rough timline from the BBC and needs some work to add statements made that are missing. Plus the details of the ships targeted so far for example departed/destinations/owners. Will do this at some point when I have all the information.

However I was watching the conversation happening and thought it may help to concrete some of the facts into peoples heads.

That seems remiss of the BBC to report the Houthi claim without pointing out that it was false.

It was the normal missing of key information we expect from them on some matters. However it did have a lot of the key facts from the time line, so I thought for now better than people confusing the time line in their heads

Obviously if it was from the Guardian or Aljazeera we would expect a more opinion based time line. So not worth much but the BBC tend to miss out key information rather than be noticeable creative. So you can normally trust the bones of what they are saying at least even if they are a bit iffy these days

Because we are slaves to technology

I feel terrified for people alive of all ages.for different reasons