ANOTHER war. Anyone else feel terrified of what could come

[kuls938x]

Breaking news; UK signing off on air strikes against Yemen. Is this just going to get worse ?

Since having kids this honestly petrifies me. This world is a mess! I feel like it's one thing since another ever since Covid nothing has felt the same at all! Life before that almost feels completely different and a blur ! Anyone else?

Same. I hope the people who are so glib about this just haven't realised what the Red Sea being impassable could do to the poor, rather than the alternative that they have realised but don't care.

Thank you! At least there are some decent people on this thread. GTFTA!!

@TrashedSofa yup our government are just all about "the poor" aren't they?! 🙈 JFC

Can you explain how attacking random shipping vessels is helping Gazans?

@PrawnDumplings

"Because they care very much about trade. Innocent lives? Not so much. Fuckers."

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Please try and join up the dots and think beyond emotion.

So let's spell it out- trade gets disrupted so prices of everything goes up - starting with oil, gas and electricity.

This then pushes up the cost of everything else from food (a major consumer of energy to produce it) to pretty much everything else.

People in the West become poorer impacting the poorest the most. This in turn costs innocent lives (as GDP decreases mortality increases).

Last time I checked Labour’s position was the same as the Conservatives.

Do you normally take your moral cues on how to treat poor people from the Tories, then?

@PrawnDumplings we just got through this. Spiralling costs, wage demands and strikes

If it happens again in such quick succession it will be worse

Did you get an energy payout? That may not happen for a start

edit to say agree with @1dayatatime

I imagine most people do, but the sad fact is that the number of babies and children killed in Israel a few weeks ago pales into insignificance compared to those killed in Gaza. All lives are important, but you can surely understand that the sheer number of deaths in Gaza attracts more compassion, and that the deaths of a few do not justify the deaths of many.

@ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming

"I imagine most people do, but the sad fact is that the number of babies and children killed in Israel a few weeks ago pales into insignificance compared to those killed in Gaza. All lives are important, but you can surely understand that the sheer number of deaths in Gaza attracts more compassion, and that the deaths of a few do not justify the deaths of many"

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If your metric of deciding good guys versus bad guys is the number killed then during WW2 that would surely make the British the bad guys because more Germans were killed than British?

I feel like we've constantly been at war in one way or another, since my birth in the 70s. The only threat that ever felt close to home was the IRA bombings in the 90s (in the North West) even then, we just got on with it because it still felt like the odds of not getting killed, were in our favour.
I still feel like that now for the most part. Wars are awful and I hate them. The world is ruled by people who like going to war and they are sponsored by people who make a lot of money from war. But, wars aren't high on my list of things to worry about, because I've got enough on my plate.

I think that Iran knows exactly what it is doing. The strike on Israel has not resulted in the all out war it has been trying to start, so it has paid off the Houthi rebels to have a go at Red Sea shipping to see if that can get something going.

I find the level of geo- political literacy in Mumsnet very depressing. No one wants a war but that will be hard to avoid when an incredibly powerful enemy is pushing for engagement.

If the suez becomes impassable because of conflict, or because it is held by a hostile force then life in this country is going to get even more impossible for the poor than it already is.

I thought Iran weren't aware of what Hamas were planning on October 7th and their support has been far more low-key than Hamas were hoping for. Hezbollah have also been a bit half-arsed in their support.

I don't think Iran want all-out war.

You're wrong. I would say most people in the UK do agree with Israel's stance, but many just don't vocalise it. We are very careful in my very large workplace not to speak about the situation and our views in front of certain people. You're probably basing your assumption on the people who turn up at the marches in London, but dont realise thst most people, including the Jewish community here, prefer to just get on with their lives without being confrontational and intimidating on our streets.

Most people want a ceasefire(71%). That wouldn't be agreeing with Israel who really don't want one. Only 17% of people agree with the UKs handling of the situation so if you are one of them you are in the minority. This is according to a YouGov poll. You mention the marches, the poll would indicate that most people do agree with those marching as the marches are for a ceasefire.

Totally agree

Yemen has been a hot mess for ages, lets not pretend that the USA/UK etc have bombed the whole country, they have targeted key locations involved in the attack on international shipping.

You're talking about who wants a cease fire. I'm talking about Israels right to defend itself from terrorists. Hamas want to destroy Israel and will not stop if there is a cease fire. They'll just restock their war supplies and enter Israel to murder and rape. Again.

If Israel can "defend' itself within a ceasefire(and I agree that they can they already have the infrastructure in place to do that) then maybe most people do agree with you. Israels current stance though which you seem to think most people agree with doesn't involve defending itself within a ceasefire, it involves killing 1% of Gazas population and attacking Palestinians in the Westbank.

Hamas could stop this now by holding their hands up and giving up their weapons. They could have stopped it at any point in the last 20 years by not lobbing Iranian rockets over the fence. Hamas escalated this.

@noblegiraffe

I obviously don’t have the total inside track of what the Iranian government wants but lots of more experienced Iran watchers seem to think that Iran are both looking to test the current strength of the US and to try to position themselves better within the Middle East. It would be beneficial for them to engineer a situation in which other states in the region are in chaos. They don’t want a face off with the West but having Egypt out of the picture because they are mired in trying to protect the suez would benefit them.

I do not believe that they weren’t aware of the attacks on Israel before they happened. Why funnel all that money to Gaza unless that was your ultimate aim?

My point was simply that most people in the UK don't agree with Israels stance like that poster claimed. I don't really care about your personal view tbh.

If you want a ceasefire, you'd better look towards the October 7th aggressor.

I doubt - outside the intelligence agencies - we can ever do better than educated assumption. I strongly suspect that Iran was deeply involved in Oct 7. I strongly suspect that Iran is deeply involved in Houthi terrorism.

I agree that destabilisation is more attractive to Iran than full-on confrontation. But Iran knows full well that if its mischief carries on that may well be the outcome. They don’t aim for it; but they’re willing to risk it.

I read today that Iran’s nuclear programme is continuing apace and that it will very soon be able to build nuclear weapons. I hope the US, UK, Saudi Arabia, the EU and Israel are all over that and plans are being made.

back in ancient times, Genghis khan, Attila the hun, alexander the great, and various other leaders at war,.

seems war is part of human dna