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AIBU? Trying to unpick yesterday's upset

272 replies

DairyleaFunker · 26/12/2023 07:32

For years, DH has been put out by my family (barring my parents who he loves) joining us for Xmas lunch (which DH makes). Over the years, the extra family member has included a rotation of siblings who have addiction problems or other issues and they would otherwise be alone at Christmas but usually only one person per year would be at a loose end.

I was brought up thinking 'the season of goodwill' means you don't willingly leave people alone at Christmas unless they want to be alone.

This year, my single brother - who can have everyone on eggshells as he can suddenly raise his voice and be very confrontational (but also can be very full of festive spirit, maybe due to a bipolar diagnosis?!) -was expected and he has come for several years without any major issues.

My niece (who is not DBs daughter) is recovering from coke addiction and recently fled a new relationship in December due to discovering a worryIng history of DV found herself homeless and put into emergency accommodation. During this challenging time she seems to have resisted going back to coke and has maintained her job and working with her ex and organisations to maintain shared care with her ex of their DS (3). Her and my brother teamed up for Xmas eve and morning and had a lovely time. The plan was that they would then come to mine for around 2 hours before lunch then at lunch the DS3 would be collected by its Dad and niece would go for a work shift.

On Xmas eve I heard from my brother that nieces shift had been changed to the evening and the DS3 was being collected after our lunch. Niece doesn't drive and lives half hour taxi away so I asked him to check what her plans were now that she had new time to fill - trying to be clear that she wasnt invited to mine for longer. We left it as he would ask her to let me know and I didn't hear from them again until they arrived on Xmas morning. As we were readying for lunch, my brother loudly asked me if my niece and her DS were staying for lunch, I said that the plan was that they were going just before lunch, to which my brother raised his voice a little and said 'I didn't ask you what the plan was, I asked if they were staying'. I told him he was putting me in an awkward position and I left the room wanting to run away and hide as felt torn - do I upset my husband by letting her stay? Do I kick her out on Xmas day knowing she has nowhere to go and will have to pay for a taxi home just to come back to the area later for work? Meanwhile niece staying quiet and maybe a bit socially unaware as seemed to think she could just plonk herself in my house for the day and didn't mention or ask about changing her plans and I didn't want to spell it out to her and make her feel unwelcome at a time she is trying hard to get her life on track. My brother had to take someone home so I called him to smooth things over before his return. We argued and I told him he had railroaded me into having more people for lunch than agreed, he said I had had time to accomodate her when he told me about her plans changing and I reminded him he had said he would tell her to let me know her new timings. I told him he had raised his voice at me on xmas day in my own house which is exactly why my husband wanted a quieter Christmas as more people creates more opportunity for arguments - he said he was going to his friends house instead. I text him as we sat down for lunch to say there was space for him if he changed his mind and no further discussion was needed as it's Christmas, he didnt reply or return.

Niece and her DS stayed for lunch then the DS was collected and niece was looking to contact another family member to go to their house for a nap before night shift but they gave an excuse that she couldn't (the rest of the family on her side are horrific and selfish so I feel responsible to show her some kindness and care) so I told her she could nap in my DC room as we wouldnt use upstairs until after the time she would leave and so she did that then went to work.

DH served lunch but didn't eat, chatted with my oblivious parents and says he would eat his later to relax and enjoy it, he's never done this before and he didn't eat a dinner at all yesterday even when everyone had gone.

I know he will blame me for not eating his lunch - no doubt because he 'didn't feel comfortable in his own home' and possibly because my niece was there (but out of sight and asleep for hours).

I just don't know what I could have done, I upset my DH and my brother and felt I was stuck between a rock and a hard place and I've ended up upsetting them both. In honesty, I don't mind a busy house full at Christmas and would have 20 people for dinner but DH says my family are too volatile and he doesn't want an awkward atmosphere. He bites his tongue a lot as doesn't want to make a scene in front of the kids in Xmas day.

Should be sleeping in but woke up at 6am as can't stop thinking about it all

OP posts:
FrancisSeaton · 26/12/2023 07:37

I think you need to start listening to your DH. Sounds like he's tolerated this bs for long enough and why shouldn't he get to enjoy a quieter less stress Christmas?

RowanMayfair · 26/12/2023 07:41

YANBU that the niece needed to stay for lunch and a nap given her shift change, booting her out would have been awful. But YABU to keep inflicting aggressive, confrontational, drug using, unpleasant family members on your husband. Would he have minded niece being there if shouty brother hadn't been there too?

Soontobe60 · 26/12/2023 07:41

Why did he not eat any lunch? Why has your family been allowed to control the narrative for so long? It seems like everyone’s taking him for a mug - you included.

wishingitwasfriday · 26/12/2023 07:43

That's all very well that you'd be happy to have 20 for Christmas lunch but you aren't the one cooking. Why not allow your husband to decide next year rather than railroading him into what you want.

Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 07:43

What on earth are you thinking?

Your brother is often alone at Christmas because he is arse. That’s not your responsibility. Or your husbands.

It’s the season of goodwill. Goodwill isn’t just letting people do what they want in your home. Because people have alienated everyone in their lives doesn’t mean you and your dh have to host them. It doesn’t mean your husband has to be uncomfortable so you can accommodate people who rude or have caused problems in their own lives.

Is your niece really completely socially unaware or is she just quite hard faced and knew you wouldn’t ask her to leave? She then doesn’t the afternoon sleeping in your him every youth you knew you dh was uncomfortable.

What was her original plan for getting transported from your house to wherever she wanted to go? Why didn’t she do that? You have labelled her other family selfish but maybe they have better boundaries. I wouldn’t want someone turning up at Christmas to use one of my bedrooms for a nap.

Your dh has expressed his unhappiness at inviting extra people, who all have their own issues and are difficult people. And you continue to do it.

You make everyone else the priority at Christmas. Not your husband been comfortable in his own home. I would be pissed off if I were him.

Feelinglow27 · 26/12/2023 07:43

I think the root of your problem is DH honestly. It made no sense for your neice to not stay longer at yours. Its one day. Why does what he wants overrule what you would do if it were just you making the decisions.

Try to put this out of your mind. No major disasters and nothing for you to apologise for. If your OH wants to go hungry on Christmas day for such a ridiculous reason and to just make a point, so be it.

TwilightSkies · 26/12/2023 07:44

Your brother sounds like a rude prick.
Your DH is tired of all the dramatic bullshit every year and I can’t blame him. You need to stand up to your family, put boundaries in place. Stop giving in to them for a ‘quiet life’.

FizzyLaser · 26/12/2023 07:44

TLDR

GreatGateauxsby · 26/12/2023 07:44

Yabu.

Yes your poor DH is right your family sound horrendous. He sounds like a bloody saint

And while you love the chaos of scores of people he doesn't.

You read as though you prioritise others over him and your family due to people pleasing.

You owe him

A. A massive apology
B. A promise to have the EXACT Christmas he wants next year.

Merry fucking Christmas to him

PaminaMozart · 26/12/2023 07:45

So all this upset was ultimately due to your husband feeling put out by your niece resting for a few hours in a room upstairs? Unless stuff like this occurs on a regular basis, he is the one who is unreasonable.

Prawncow · 26/12/2023 07:45

Are you a halfway house?

gininthejar · 26/12/2023 07:46

I think it’s a bit odd to have someone at your house on Christmas Day and make them leave just before lunch. Either they come or they don’t, but this setup leads to confusion. Appreciate her shift changed, but she obviously had nowhere else to go.

TheaBrandt · 26/12/2023 07:46

Another thread where I feel sorry for the husband. Your relatives chaotic lives are not his problem. He has said clearly beforehand he wanted a calmer quieter Christmas and you’ve totally ignored him.

pickledandpuzzled · 26/12/2023 07:46

I can’t vote because it’s complicated. Neither you nor your husband were unreasonable, but could both have handled it better.

Have a serious chat about what you are doing next year. You have fallen into a pattern of being obliged to host people you don’t want and need to break that expectation.

Also, when issues crop up it sounds as though you let your brother be outspoken but then wait passively and quietly for things to pan out.

Try saying “I’ll need to check with DH, then I’ll get back to you “. Tell DH there’s a problem, shall we do x, y or what and work it out together.

If I were DH I’d have been happier with a conversation where we said ‘on no, what a pain. Still at least DB has gone so there’s room at the table”.

The way it happens it’s as though either you nor DH have any agency. Be more open about the conversations, don’t hide it from parents or anyone else. That way it’s less tense and stressful.

CaineRaine · 26/12/2023 07:47

Does your DH ever get a say in how he spends Christmas Day or who he is expected to cook for? Sounds like yesterday was his breaking point at having to bite his tongue around your family and he’s had enough. Your family caused the drama and it doesn’t sound like it’s the first time it’s happened so no wonder he’s had enough.

WandaWonder · 26/12/2023 07:48

I know whatever men do or say on here is wrong but if you want to live in a soap opera that is up to you it sounds like this is an ongoing thing

Can you alternate Christmas so next year do it your dh way then year after your way etc.

AlisonDonut · 26/12/2023 07:49

Why didn't your brother make your niece and her child dinner and stay at his?

I couldn't be arsed with this, I'm on your husband's side here.

Twentypastfour · 26/12/2023 07:50

To be totally honest, this all sounds awful. It sounds like there are a lot of people popping in and out, even if not staying for dinner itself (your brother having to drop someone back) which doesn’t sound at all that relaxing especially as there are difficult personalities, addictions etc.

It sounds like you really want to help all these people, which is lovely, but I don’t think your husband is being that unreasonable to want a quiet, family Christmas without drama.

TheaBrandt · 26/12/2023 07:51

Is the problem that you host the parents so their hapless offspring (who would usually stay with parents at Christmas) then follow the parents to yours?

justalittlesnoel · 26/12/2023 07:52

Totally team DH here! Christmas goodwill doesn't mean doing everything to make everyone else happy and ignoring the wishes of your immediate family.

Your DH has had to have his Christmas shared with various people who have lots of issues / drama! I'd be fuming if someone raised their voice to me in my own home, regardless of it being Christmas.

Your family (extended) are the issue here. Why doesn't your DH get a say in the day? I don't blame him for not wanting to sit and eat a meal he's spent time cooking when it's just had a background of drama year after year.

KvotheTheBloodless · 26/12/2023 07:53

I'm sorry OP, you're really caught in the middle of things. I too think it's a Christian duty to invite those who might otherwise be alone, but you also need to think of your poor DH who's had these people inflicted on him year after year.

Can you discuss next year with your extended family members, and say that you want a quiet Christmas and can someone else agree to host parents/siblings?

It's a tough one, I know how hard it must be, but I think you owe it to your DH to make sure he gets a drama-free Christmas.

PBandJ111 · 26/12/2023 07:55

Your dh was a martyr by not eating but otherwise, it’s his Christmas Day too and you don’t need to host this all the time

DairyleaFunker · 26/12/2023 07:56

DH can sort Christmas next year - I am done! He had busy Christmases as a kid so it's not that he wanted a quiet one, just not extra people. DB didn't stay for lunch in the end so not sure if that made things better as DH didn't eat. When I first told him 'I am in a really awkward position, I can't kick niece out as she has noone to goto and needs to be back later for a night shift so would pay a fortune in taxis but you dont want extra peopl' he said 'I'll just have lunch after then as there's no space'. But there was space and DB not coming back added to that.

I hate the thought of people being alone at Christmas and how do I tell family members they can't come because DH doesn't want them there without causing a huge rift? DH gets along with DB usually so it's so unnecessary to cause ructions. He says he wouldn't put me in this position with his family but equally I would never ask him to turn away his family if it was the other way round.

OP posts:
Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 07:56

@DairyleaFunker you do realise your brother didn’t ask her what her new plans were. He was sure he could shame you into accommodating your niece and her son.

He was sure you wouldn’t want to but sure he could make you. She changed her plans for pick up of the child, decided with your brother they were staying at yours and didn’t even consult you or ask herself.

She then made no firm plans for after the child was picked up and hunted until you let her sleep there. She had no intention of leaving but again, didn’t even ask you before hand.

Mummadeze · 26/12/2023 07:56

I actually feel really sorry for you! You were stuck in the middle and you made the best decisions that you could at the time. Your DH sounds unreasonable for making a point of not eating his lunch / sulking. Your brother shouldn’t have shouted at you either. And in the end, you were just being kind to your niece, what else were you meant to do? I think all three parties owe you an apology but you won’t get one.

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