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AIBU? Trying to unpick yesterday's upset

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DairyleaFunker · 26/12/2023 07:32

For years, DH has been put out by my family (barring my parents who he loves) joining us for Xmas lunch (which DH makes). Over the years, the extra family member has included a rotation of siblings who have addiction problems or other issues and they would otherwise be alone at Christmas but usually only one person per year would be at a loose end.

I was brought up thinking 'the season of goodwill' means you don't willingly leave people alone at Christmas unless they want to be alone.

This year, my single brother - who can have everyone on eggshells as he can suddenly raise his voice and be very confrontational (but also can be very full of festive spirit, maybe due to a bipolar diagnosis?!) -was expected and he has come for several years without any major issues.

My niece (who is not DBs daughter) is recovering from coke addiction and recently fled a new relationship in December due to discovering a worryIng history of DV found herself homeless and put into emergency accommodation. During this challenging time she seems to have resisted going back to coke and has maintained her job and working with her ex and organisations to maintain shared care with her ex of their DS (3). Her and my brother teamed up for Xmas eve and morning and had a lovely time. The plan was that they would then come to mine for around 2 hours before lunch then at lunch the DS3 would be collected by its Dad and niece would go for a work shift.

On Xmas eve I heard from my brother that nieces shift had been changed to the evening and the DS3 was being collected after our lunch. Niece doesn't drive and lives half hour taxi away so I asked him to check what her plans were now that she had new time to fill - trying to be clear that she wasnt invited to mine for longer. We left it as he would ask her to let me know and I didn't hear from them again until they arrived on Xmas morning. As we were readying for lunch, my brother loudly asked me if my niece and her DS were staying for lunch, I said that the plan was that they were going just before lunch, to which my brother raised his voice a little and said 'I didn't ask you what the plan was, I asked if they were staying'. I told him he was putting me in an awkward position and I left the room wanting to run away and hide as felt torn - do I upset my husband by letting her stay? Do I kick her out on Xmas day knowing she has nowhere to go and will have to pay for a taxi home just to come back to the area later for work? Meanwhile niece staying quiet and maybe a bit socially unaware as seemed to think she could just plonk herself in my house for the day and didn't mention or ask about changing her plans and I didn't want to spell it out to her and make her feel unwelcome at a time she is trying hard to get her life on track. My brother had to take someone home so I called him to smooth things over before his return. We argued and I told him he had railroaded me into having more people for lunch than agreed, he said I had had time to accomodate her when he told me about her plans changing and I reminded him he had said he would tell her to let me know her new timings. I told him he had raised his voice at me on xmas day in my own house which is exactly why my husband wanted a quieter Christmas as more people creates more opportunity for arguments - he said he was going to his friends house instead. I text him as we sat down for lunch to say there was space for him if he changed his mind and no further discussion was needed as it's Christmas, he didnt reply or return.

Niece and her DS stayed for lunch then the DS was collected and niece was looking to contact another family member to go to their house for a nap before night shift but they gave an excuse that she couldn't (the rest of the family on her side are horrific and selfish so I feel responsible to show her some kindness and care) so I told her she could nap in my DC room as we wouldnt use upstairs until after the time she would leave and so she did that then went to work.

DH served lunch but didn't eat, chatted with my oblivious parents and says he would eat his later to relax and enjoy it, he's never done this before and he didn't eat a dinner at all yesterday even when everyone had gone.

I know he will blame me for not eating his lunch - no doubt because he 'didn't feel comfortable in his own home' and possibly because my niece was there (but out of sight and asleep for hours).

I just don't know what I could have done, I upset my DH and my brother and felt I was stuck between a rock and a hard place and I've ended up upsetting them both. In honesty, I don't mind a busy house full at Christmas and would have 20 people for dinner but DH says my family are too volatile and he doesn't want an awkward atmosphere. He bites his tongue a lot as doesn't want to make a scene in front of the kids in Xmas day.

Should be sleeping in but woke up at 6am as can't stop thinking about it all

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NameChangerGameChanger2 · 26/12/2023 07:56

I’m team DH on this one - why does your desire for a busy house and all comers (nightmare ones too) trump his desire for a quiet Christmas?

I appreciate that in the day you were put on the spot, but I think your plan to tackle it is to say that next year he gets it his way - whatever he wants, he gets.

ClockHolly · 26/12/2023 07:57

You dealt with the situation as best you could yesterday, but you need to stop getting into this situation. Your DH doesn’t like this kind of drama filled christmas and so you need to stop doing it.

Options might be:

  • alternating between inviting your family and not (on the years you don’t your parents can take in anyone on their own)
  • hosting Boxing Day for your family and making it an open invite
  • changing timings of the day so you invite your ad hoc family for drinks and nibbles at 10am then kick them out and your meal much later

whatever you do you need to make clear to your family what they are invited to and what they are not including ensuring they know they need to sort transport.

TheaBrandt · 26/12/2023 07:57

The villain here is the brother. He can sod off and host the niece if he’s that bothered. His behaviour is outrageous- who does he think he is?

DairyleaFunker · 26/12/2023 07:58

TheaBrandt · 26/12/2023 07:51

Is the problem that you host the parents so their hapless offspring (who would usually stay with parents at Christmas) then follow the parents to yours?

Yes this is kind of right! My parents used to be the hosts for Christmas with everyone welcome, but they are too old now.

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WaltzingWaters · 26/12/2023 07:59

I think I’m that situation letting you niece and her son stay for lunch and have a nap was the right thing to do.
But next year listen to your DH and let him have his quiet Christmas. No additional dramatic guests.

tempnameforadvice · 26/12/2023 08:00

Goodwill should really start at home.

AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair · 26/12/2023 08:01

FizzyLaser · 26/12/2023 07:44

TLDR

The childishly pathetic posters are up early today

I'm kind of with your husband on this one, your brother sounds awful. Maybe suggest you don't invite anyone next year although the not eating is a bit odd

ClockHolly · 26/12/2023 08:01

how do I tell family members they can't come because DH doesn't want them there without causing a huge rift?

You tell them early in September/October that you’re having Christmas on your own this year and so everyone needs to make other plans. Your brother found a friend to go to at no notice so sorted himself out. He can do that again. They are using your house and hospitality like a drop in centre because you’re letting them. host them on Boxing Day if you want to.

NeedToChangeName · 26/12/2023 08:03

Feelinglow27 · 26/12/2023 07:43

I think the root of your problem is DH honestly. It made no sense for your neice to not stay longer at yours. Its one day. Why does what he wants overrule what you would do if it were just you making the decisions.

Try to put this out of your mind. No major disasters and nothing for you to apologise for. If your OH wants to go hungry on Christmas day for such a ridiculous reason and to just make a point, so be it.

I agree with @Feelinglow27

In the situation you were in, you couldn't have kicked DN out, and no reason for DH not to eat

Next year, I'd focus on avoiding getting into similar scenario, by limiting who you invite

DairyleaFunker · 26/12/2023 08:03

Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 07:56

@DairyleaFunker you do realise your brother didn’t ask her what her new plans were. He was sure he could shame you into accommodating your niece and her son.

He was sure you wouldn’t want to but sure he could make you. She changed her plans for pick up of the child, decided with your brother they were staying at yours and didn’t even consult you or ask herself.

She then made no firm plans for after the child was picked up and hunted until you let her sleep there. She had no intention of leaving but again, didn’t even ask you before hand.

I do agree with this, I don't think it was done vindictively but I do feel I was railroaded after the initial plan that had been made had been made by me to keep my husband happy and meet him halfway.

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Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 08:03

DairyleaFunker · 26/12/2023 07:56

DH can sort Christmas next year - I am done! He had busy Christmases as a kid so it's not that he wanted a quiet one, just not extra people. DB didn't stay for lunch in the end so not sure if that made things better as DH didn't eat. When I first told him 'I am in a really awkward position, I can't kick niece out as she has noone to goto and needs to be back later for a night shift so would pay a fortune in taxis but you dont want extra peopl' he said 'I'll just have lunch after then as there's no space'. But there was space and DB not coming back added to that.

I hate the thought of people being alone at Christmas and how do I tell family members they can't come because DH doesn't want them there without causing a huge rift? DH gets along with DB usually so it's so unnecessary to cause ructions. He says he wouldn't put me in this position with his family but equally I would never ask him to turn away his family if it was the other way round.

You could have made her leave.

Why is her lack of planning your responsibility?

Are you really suggesting she knew she wasn’t staying for lunch but made no plan in how to get to and from yours? She then moved all her plans, still didn’t make plans on how what to do after she left yours? then just sat there while people argued wether she could stay. Then ate lunch. Then started trying to find someone who would take her in for a nap?

She has shown zero respect for you or your home or your husband. She was never going to leave. If she made no plan, she knew you wouldn’t make her leave and she didn’t even have the respect to speak to you first.

She could turn up at yours and make you give in to the plan she had. You could make her leave.

That’s what your husband has issue with. Your family dictating every Christmas even right up until the day.

JustOneMoreBaileys · 26/12/2023 08:04

DH says my family are too volatile and he doesn't want an awkward atmosphere

To be fair - this sounds like an accurate prediction of what happened.

Next year try a quiet Christmas. Tell your family early in the year that you are going to be doing things a bit differently next year and just having a very quiet Christmas with no extra guests. Stick to it and see how it goes.

CreationNat1on · 26/12/2023 08:05

Why is it all your side that need the prepping up, does DH get a say in who he props up for Xmas?

I m with DH. he never said he was a recovering addicts therapist/boarding house. It's Christmas day for him too. Next year do it his way. He never chose to be Florence Nightingale.

Holidayhell22 · 26/12/2023 08:05

I think the problem is your obnoxious brother.
How about next year you don’t invite him.
I also think it’s up to your dh who comes as he is the one cooking.

ZombieGirl86 · 26/12/2023 08:05

Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 07:43

What on earth are you thinking?

Your brother is often alone at Christmas because he is arse. That’s not your responsibility. Or your husbands.

It’s the season of goodwill. Goodwill isn’t just letting people do what they want in your home. Because people have alienated everyone in their lives doesn’t mean you and your dh have to host them. It doesn’t mean your husband has to be uncomfortable so you can accommodate people who rude or have caused problems in their own lives.

Is your niece really completely socially unaware or is she just quite hard faced and knew you wouldn’t ask her to leave? She then doesn’t the afternoon sleeping in your him every youth you knew you dh was uncomfortable.

What was her original plan for getting transported from your house to wherever she wanted to go? Why didn’t she do that? You have labelled her other family selfish but maybe they have better boundaries. I wouldn’t want someone turning up at Christmas to use one of my bedrooms for a nap.

Your dh has expressed his unhappiness at inviting extra people, who all have their own issues and are difficult people. And you continue to do it.

You make everyone else the priority at Christmas. Not your husband been comfortable in his own home. I would be pissed off if I were him.

This!

SallyWD · 26/12/2023 08:06

I'm going slightly against the grain here. When it became apparent that your niece wasn't working I'd have just assumed she was just staying for lunch. I know they should have confirmed/asked you beforehand but it just seems odd that she'd be invited for the morning then expected to leave with nowhere to go, just before you were serving lunch. Let's be honest, there is always more than enough food at the lunch, leftovers that last for days. I feel it was very unfortunate that there was this scene in front of your niece. I think that on this occasion, you and DH should have anticipated this and just agreed that your niece was staying for lunch, rather than acting surprised and thinking it was reasonable to kick her out.
Having said all this, I also think your DH has been a saint up until now, hosting all these rather dysfunctional members of your family, and I think he deserves a break going forward! I can never understand this obsession with Christmas day. Christmas is a period that lasts several days. Why can't your family come round on Christmas eve or boxing day? You could get a take away or have a more relaxed meal. Treating Christmas day as the only day that matters, puts huge pressure on the day and creates a lot of work for your DH.
I'd happily send Christmas day alone and see loved ones on boxing day. As long as we got together at some point, I don't see the issue.

Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 08:06

DairyleaFunker · 26/12/2023 08:03

I do agree with this, I don't think it was done vindictively but I do feel I was railroaded after the initial plan that had been made had been made by me to keep my husband happy and meet him halfway.

it was done selfishly.

She and your brother both decided what was happening in your household. Regardless of anyone else’s feelings.

I would be really pissed off of my husbands family, dictated what was happening in my own home, any day of the year. But every Christmas? While I cooked?

Mumsanetta · 26/12/2023 08:06

I hate the thought of people being alone at Christmas and how do I tell family members they can't come because DH doesn't want them there without causing a huge rift?

This right here is your problem- in your eyes these family members can’t come because your DH doesn’t want them there but the truth is that they can’t come because they are disrespectful and lack boundaries. It sounds like you have a saviour complex and will sacrifice your DH’s happiness to get your fix.

TheaBrandt · 26/12/2023 08:07

To the poster that asked why does what Dh want trump everyone else?

Err it’s his house he is cooking and he’s hosted her family for years and has clearly said he wants a quiet Christmas.

When stroppy brother and useless niece are hosting in their own houses then they can call the shots.

Iouis · 26/12/2023 08:07

Should be a joint decision who you have round on Christmas day. Would you be happy with your DH inviting whoever he wants while you cook for them? I don't think that's fair. I understand where you're coming from as I'm like this where I dont want anyone feeling left out, but not at the detriment of my DH. He comes before extended family.

MaryMcI · 26/12/2023 08:08

I think I lost sympathy with your DH when he decided to not eat Christmas dinner, to be honest. Is it so very bad to host two extra people, one of whom is a child, at Christmas? Or indeed any time?
I don’t know. You sound a nice, kind person who is stuck between an unaccommodating DH and your relatives (with your DB being as stubborn as your DH and not reading the room). I am not sure why your DH’s wishes for a quiet Christmas and not hosting your relatives trump your wishes to have an open door to relatives getting their lives on track.

wildwestpioneer · 26/12/2023 08:10

No good deed goes unpunished!

I think I'd apologise to your dh and promise him a family Christmas next year and stick to it. Your goodwill is admirable, but it's at the detriment of your dh feelings which isn't fair

Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 08:10

Mumsanetta · 26/12/2023 08:06

I hate the thought of people being alone at Christmas and how do I tell family members they can't come because DH doesn't want them there without causing a huge rift?

This right here is your problem- in your eyes these family members can’t come because your DH doesn’t want them there but the truth is that they can’t come because they are disrespectful and lack boundaries. It sounds like you have a saviour complex and will sacrifice your DH’s happiness to get your fix.

This

The dh here has a DW problem.

Instead of saying ‘you have been taking the piss and won’t be invited next year. You are selfish and disrespect me, my husband and my home’ (doesn’t need to be those words), Op is working out how to make the DH the one who has an issue for no reason and make him the villain.

I think the Op is the other side to a lot of ‘my mil doesn’t like me and I don’t know why’, usually because the man in the middle creates it.

SeatonCarew · 26/12/2023 08:12

Just stop inflicting all these dreadful people on your husband, and start putting him first. Poor man.

Lifeasiknowitisout · 26/12/2023 08:15

MaryMcI · 26/12/2023 08:08

I think I lost sympathy with your DH when he decided to not eat Christmas dinner, to be honest. Is it so very bad to host two extra people, one of whom is a child, at Christmas? Or indeed any time?
I don’t know. You sound a nice, kind person who is stuck between an unaccommodating DH and your relatives (with your DB being as stubborn as your DH and not reading the room). I am not sure why your DH’s wishes for a quiet Christmas and not hosting your relatives trump your wishes to have an open door to relatives getting their lives on track.

Unaccommodating?

He has done it for years. For years he has cooked and hosted for all his wife’s dysfunctional relatives. It appears this year he has had enough.

The niece knew she wasn’t staying so either had plans or didn’t because she knew she could force Op into letting her stay.

It may not happen to you, but some of us can’t eat when we are stress or annoyed. Are you suggesting he should have forced himself to eat?

It’s ok for his wife’s family to dictate their Christmas plans and choose to disrupt them. Choose that they will allow them to do as they wish in his home but he can’t choose not to eat a meal?