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To complain about teacher's behaviour

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Ilovechocolate87 · 18/11/2023 14:52

Last night after tea, DD (6) said to younger DD (2) 'Don't you dare do that' (touch her food) in a menacing voice.It isn't something we would say, as I think it's a nasty way to speak to someone, so i asked her where she got it from, to which she replied that her teacher had shouted at a boy in her class (year 1) 'don't you dare interuppt me when I'm talking' and re-inacted it in a thunderous sort of voice.

If she was telling me the teacher was saying such things to her I would be in no doubt to complain, as its clearly threatening behaviour, but as it wasn't at her (and she confirms she has never shouted at her) I'm on the fence whether to say anything or not about it .I've re-iterated to DD not to speak to her little sister like that, explaining that even if the teacher did it, it is still wrong.She told me when I asked that it doesn't scare her when the teacher shouts (she has very sensitive hearing and is often scared if we shout at home) but i'm not really liking that she is seeing someone who should be a professional and a role model behaving in that way towards any child.

OP posts:
Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 19/11/2023 13:57

The best suggestion on this thread has been has been to advocate for cctv in all classrooms.

My DC routinely tell me that the teacher treats them very differently when the TA leaves the classroom.

Teachers complain that they need cameras for their own safety.

So teachers lobby for 3rd party recording equipment to be installed with your unions and parents do the same with local Gov.

Pooooochi · 19/11/2023 13:58

You could ask the teacher not to use language like that, but your DC may still hear it from DC like mine, who've been raised with stricter parenting and taught to be obedient etc or face consequences.

Too much parenting these days attributes levels of comprehension and emotional maturity to younger children that they simply don't have. There are some behaviours children simply have to be taught not to display.... or else.

WearyAuldWumman · 19/11/2023 14:02

Before I retired, we had a child who was a school refuser. Had just transferred from primary.

Ed Psych told us just to let the child run around the corridors during lessons, but to try to encourage him into the classroom with 'friendly gestures' and 'smiles'.

This only stopped the day the kid perched on top of a balustrade with a sheer drop below him. Spookily, it then became possible to tell him that he had to be in class.

Once he was given clear boundaries, the kid actually began to settle. There are times when simply trying to persuade children to behave is inappropriate.

WinterWaffle · 19/11/2023 14:08

It would obviously completely depend on the DC and situation what I would put in place but for some DC a small fidget toy would help

When my DS was allowed a bloody fidget spinner in class (when they first came out, he’s 18 now) he never got any work done as he was just messing about with it all the time, he thought it was great. No, what he needed was discipline from the teacher and telling him if he didn’t sit down, concentrate and do his work then he would miss his break/whatever punishment the teacher saw fit. He could sit still at home and do his homework so why couldn’t he at school? Well those stupid things lasted all of about three weeks before the school banned them - can’t think why? 🤔

Mutters123 · 19/11/2023 14:09

FFS! What a ridiculous post and even more ridiculous view. It’s absolutely absurd to expect a teacher not to raise their voice. I don’t think I can think of a single colleague past or present who hasn’t. I see nothing wrong with the language used. In my 20 years as a teacher I have definitely said that many times.
If she’d said ‘Stop fucking interrupting me you little twat’ or something then fair enough. I cannot believe that others on here are actually trying to support the OP either. Completely batshit! 😂 Don’t be one of those parents who is the laughing stock of the staffroom! Alternatively, there’s a bit of a teacher shortage at the moment (partly caused by attitudes like this!) and see how long your softly softly no shouting attitudes last! 🙄

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2023 14:12

Repurposing · 19/11/2023 11:12

There is evidence of posters saying they have left the teaching profession because they could not cope with parents' comments, yes. There is no evidence they were or are capable teachers though.

Teaching is just one of many professions that are accountable to families for their work. Good organisations welcome questions and reflect on feedback and are dynamic, they seek to reassure families and don't blame the children and families for failings in their profession. Imagine if the NHS and Social Services did that ! Attacking parents who just want some support and reassurance and using their past struggles against them is bullying, and it reflects badly on the posters, not the OP. Everyone knows this is true.

Wow.

Just wow.

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2023 14:16

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 19/11/2023 13:57

The best suggestion on this thread has been has been to advocate for cctv in all classrooms.

My DC routinely tell me that the teacher treats them very differently when the TA leaves the classroom.

Teachers complain that they need cameras for their own safety.

So teachers lobby for 3rd party recording equipment to be installed with your unions and parents do the same with local Gov.

Honestly it's not.

When confronted with significant evidence the tone deaf idiot entitled parents would STILL carry on and not back down. Because they already often are offered significant evidence to the contrary.

The issue is often that the parent simply does not like that teacher and has it in for them.

Sadly.

itsalongwaybackfromsorry · 19/11/2023 14:18

Sherrystrull · 19/11/2023 13:45

In my experience, fidget toys can be more of a distraction to everyone when they are launched across the room, spun in others eyes and broken.

The only thing that works for me is to sit the child with an adult who they can whisper to rather than calling out.

As you can imagine, this involves staff and funding...

Fidget toys don't work for most children: they're just toys they focus on (and distract others with) rather than use them to focus on the lesson.

I speak from experience.

And my experience is contrary to the 'imagined' experience of parents who believe their children will do better with such a toy ... they don't see what actually happens in class when they have them.

Yes, they do work for a very tiny percentage of children, but for most, they quickly become a detriment to learning and a distraction to others.

greengreengrass25 · 19/11/2023 14:26

Sometimes parents carry baggage from their own school experience

They may not value education etc

PaperDoIIs · 19/11/2023 14:29

Blu tac as a fidget solves a few of the downsides of an actual toy.

MrsMurphyIWish · 19/11/2023 14:31

My son is ASD. We have told school specifically NOT to give him fidget toys - he’ll just focus on those! They do not regulate his behaviour. He needs sensory breaks. I sit at some insets (as I’m a teacher) and I roll my eyes at advice how to treat autistic children. As a parent of an autistic child - they’re not the same! I want his teachers to be firm with him. Not all his behaviour is down to ASD. He’s 9 and can be a brat! Luckily as a parent I can tell him that.

MrsMurphyIWish · 19/11/2023 14:33

My son would eat blu-tac!

CatMandarin · 19/11/2023 14:37

Mutters123 · 19/11/2023 14:09

FFS! What a ridiculous post and even more ridiculous view. It’s absolutely absurd to expect a teacher not to raise their voice. I don’t think I can think of a single colleague past or present who hasn’t. I see nothing wrong with the language used. In my 20 years as a teacher I have definitely said that many times.
If she’d said ‘Stop fucking interrupting me you little twat’ or something then fair enough. I cannot believe that others on here are actually trying to support the OP either. Completely batshit! 😂 Don’t be one of those parents who is the laughing stock of the staffroom! Alternatively, there’s a bit of a teacher shortage at the moment (partly caused by attitudes like this!) and see how long your softly softly no shouting attitudes last! 🙄

Luckily it's only 5% supporting the OP according to her poll. It's just the 5% are very vocal and the OP thinks the 5% are the only sensible ones and the 95% are bullies.

momonpurpose · 19/11/2023 15:03

CatMandarin · 19/11/2023 14:37

Luckily it's only 5% supporting the OP according to her poll. It's just the 5% are very vocal and the OP thinks the 5% are the only sensible ones and the 95% are bullies.

The 5% is probably the OP

electriclight · 19/11/2023 16:04

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 19/11/2023 13:57

The best suggestion on this thread has been has been to advocate for cctv in all classrooms.

My DC routinely tell me that the teacher treats them very differently when the TA leaves the classroom.

Teachers complain that they need cameras for their own safety.

So teachers lobby for 3rd party recording equipment to be installed with your unions and parents do the same with local Gov.

I'd be up for that but no for a certain facts that a majority of my parents wouldn't - they were highly suspicious of a thumbprint to pay for lunches and I overheard a conversation about Tesco clubards being a ruse to steal all of your personal details. No way they'll let their kids be filmed for 7 hours every day.

electriclight · 19/11/2023 16:05

*know!

electriclight · 19/11/2023 16:10

Heartening to see so many parents disagreeing with op. Makes me feel quite hopeful actually. Maybe common sense will ultimately prevail and there will be a backlash against this utter nonsense whereby parents are allowed to tell us how to run our classrooms.

Fidget toys indeed.

EstEstEst · 19/11/2023 16:22

WearyAuldWumman · 19/11/2023 14:02

Before I retired, we had a child who was a school refuser. Had just transferred from primary.

Ed Psych told us just to let the child run around the corridors during lessons, but to try to encourage him into the classroom with 'friendly gestures' and 'smiles'.

This only stopped the day the kid perched on top of a balustrade with a sheer drop below him. Spookily, it then became possible to tell him that he had to be in class.

Once he was given clear boundaries, the kid actually began to settle. There are times when simply trying to persuade children to behave is inappropriate.

I’m wondering if we worked at the same place as we had an identical incident.

itsalongwaybackfromsorry · 19/11/2023 16:23

PaperDoIIs · 19/11/2023 14:29

Blu tac as a fidget solves a few of the downsides of an actual toy.

It can, but only in limited amounts and for a limited time with certain children I've worked with.

WearyAuldWumman · 19/11/2023 16:38

EstEstEst · 19/11/2023 16:22

I’m wondering if we worked at the same place as we had an identical incident.

Trying not to say to much about my location, but I'm in Scotland. Having said that, a lot of the new build schools seem to be using the same basic design.

EstEstEst · 19/11/2023 16:40

WearyAuldWumman · 19/11/2023 16:38

Trying not to say to much about my location, but I'm in Scotland. Having said that, a lot of the new build schools seem to be using the same basic design.

Me too! 😂

WearyAuldWumman · 19/11/2023 16:41

EstEstEst · 19/11/2023 16:40

Me too! 😂

Hmmm. I wonder...

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 18:00

ilovesooty · 19/11/2023 13:54

Oh I see. No experience of actually managing a classroom then. So what would you do when children are openly and persistently defiant? As in "don't you tell me what to do. You're not my mum"?

Yes, you have to have experience working in the classroom to go into education psychology. To be honest, I can't tell you exactly what I would do as it completely depends on the child. But if a child is getting worked up I'd stay very calm, if they're being combative I'll be the opposite. But also there's lots you can do which means you'd not get to that point in the first place.

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 18:01

Pooooochi · 19/11/2023 13:58

You could ask the teacher not to use language like that, but your DC may still hear it from DC like mine, who've been raised with stricter parenting and taught to be obedient etc or face consequences.

Too much parenting these days attributes levels of comprehension and emotional maturity to younger children that they simply don't have. There are some behaviours children simply have to be taught not to display.... or else.

They really don't.

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 18:04

WinterWaffle · 19/11/2023 14:08

It would obviously completely depend on the DC and situation what I would put in place but for some DC a small fidget toy would help

When my DS was allowed a bloody fidget spinner in class (when they first came out, he’s 18 now) he never got any work done as he was just messing about with it all the time, he thought it was great. No, what he needed was discipline from the teacher and telling him if he didn’t sit down, concentrate and do his work then he would miss his break/whatever punishment the teacher saw fit. He could sit still at home and do his homework so why couldn’t he at school? Well those stupid things lasted all of about three weeks before the school banned them - can’t think why? 🤔

My DD has used fidget toys with great success. They didn't used to be a thing but I only mentioned them due to my DD's experience and some other DC I've seen. You do really have to tailor the intervention to the child and be ready to rapidly change tack if it's not working!

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