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To complain about teacher's behaviour

665 replies

Ilovechocolate87 · 18/11/2023 14:52

Last night after tea, DD (6) said to younger DD (2) 'Don't you dare do that' (touch her food) in a menacing voice.It isn't something we would say, as I think it's a nasty way to speak to someone, so i asked her where she got it from, to which she replied that her teacher had shouted at a boy in her class (year 1) 'don't you dare interuppt me when I'm talking' and re-inacted it in a thunderous sort of voice.

If she was telling me the teacher was saying such things to her I would be in no doubt to complain, as its clearly threatening behaviour, but as it wasn't at her (and she confirms she has never shouted at her) I'm on the fence whether to say anything or not about it .I've re-iterated to DD not to speak to her little sister like that, explaining that even if the teacher did it, it is still wrong.She told me when I asked that it doesn't scare her when the teacher shouts (she has very sensitive hearing and is often scared if we shout at home) but i'm not really liking that she is seeing someone who should be a professional and a role model behaving in that way towards any child.

OP posts:
itsalongwaybackfromsorry · 19/11/2023 13:10

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 18/11/2023 23:00

the bullies will all swoop in like vultures to peck away at you

It's not bullying to point out blatant hypocrisy. The OP can't control her temper enough to stop herself from shouting at her own kids, but she wanted to make a complaint about a teacher who (allegedly) raised their voice to tell off a child, even though the OP didn’t witness this and doesn't know the context.

Nobody thinks there's no such thing as a bad teacher, but it's ridiculous to think that teachers in charge of large classes of kids won't sometimes need to raise their voices or speak sharply to children to get them to stop poor behaviour.

Yep

WinterWaffle · 19/11/2023 13:10

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 19/11/2023 12:55

OP Do NOT allow others to bully you off this site. This is a reflection on them not you. .

This is where all this namby pamby gentle nonsense has got us - you think people disagreeing with each other is bullying. It’s pathetic. You’ve obviously never experienced real bullying.

Sherrystrull · 19/11/2023 13:12

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:00

I completely agree with you it is threatening. I can't stand it when people think they can treat DC like this just because they are DC. They'd never speak to an adult like that.

So how would you deal with a constantly interrupting child?

I'm very firm with children interrupting my lesson. They are disrupting the learning of others which is unacceptable.

Teder · 19/11/2023 13:12

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:00

I completely agree with you it is threatening. I can't stand it when people think they can treat DC like this just because they are DC. They'd never speak to an adult like that.

I’d never insist my husband goes to the toilet before a long car journey but I do to my child.

greengreengrass25 · 19/11/2023 13:30

The thing is they are not adults. They take time to mature and they do need to be told firmly

I think this is where a lot of problems stem from in our society

Adults should (hopefully) have more self regulation

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:30

Sherrystrull · 19/11/2023 13:12

So how would you deal with a constantly interrupting child?

I'm very firm with children interrupting my lesson. They are disrupting the learning of others which is unacceptable.

I would speak to them respectfully. Firmly but respectfully. I would also see if there was anything I could put in place to help the DC with not interrupting.

greengreengrass25 · 19/11/2023 13:31

I mean to stop interrupting

It's fine for them to tell a dc off if they are the teacher as far as I'm concerned

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:31

Teder · 19/11/2023 13:12

I’d never insist my husband goes to the toilet before a long car journey but I do to my child.

Insisting is not threatening. There may be things you insist your husband does too.

Sherrystrull · 19/11/2023 13:34

@UndertheCedartree

What would you put in place to stop them interrupting?

What if you'd tried lots of things and reminded them many many times before?

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:34

greengreengrass25 · 19/11/2023 13:30

The thing is they are not adults. They take time to mature and they do need to be told firmly

I think this is where a lot of problems stem from in our society

Adults should (hopefully) have more self regulation

You can tell a DC something firmly but also respectfully.

I personally think a lot of our problems in society come from people treating their DC like shit, shouting at them, hitting them, punishing them all the time. I just don't think any of that is necessary.

And the best teachers my DD has had have not be disrespectful to the DC.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 19/11/2023 13:34

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:30

I would speak to them respectfully. Firmly but respectfully. I would also see if there was anything I could put in place to help the DC with not interrupting.

Like what?

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:37

greengreengrass25 · 19/11/2023 13:30

The thing is they are not adults. They take time to mature and they do need to be told firmly

I think this is where a lot of problems stem from in our society

Adults should (hopefully) have more self regulation

The thing is regarding society the majority follow the method of punishing kids and talking to them in a disrespectful tone. So if there are problems in society it seems more likely that would stem from most people do.

greengreengrass25 · 19/11/2023 13:38

Maybe

Who knows

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:40

Sherrystrull · 19/11/2023 13:34

@UndertheCedartree

What would you put in place to stop them interrupting?

What if you'd tried lots of things and reminded them many many times before?

That's the thing the teachers that have 'reminded them many times before' are those that don't put anything in place they just keep repeating themselves and somehow expecting if they keep doing the same thing it will have a different result.

It would obviously completely depend on the DC and situation what I would put in place but for some DC a small fidget toy would help.

ilovesooty · 19/11/2023 13:41

@UndertheCedartree what teaching qualifications and experience do you have? You still haven't said what should happen when pupils have repeatedly been asked calmly and respectfully to be quiet and that's been persistently ignored.

ilovesooty · 19/11/2023 13:42

Cross post.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 19/11/2023 13:45

WinterWaffle · 19/11/2023 11:24

It’s a shame there can’t be a two-tier system in schools - parents choose if they want a teacher who will tell their children off when needed and won’t stand for any nonsense or one who will do the ‘gentle’ teaching. It would also be interesting to see the kids’ outcomes at the end of it all.

Not sure it’d work as I imagine a lot of parents would ask that their child be in a class with a teacher who’d be strict to all the other kids but gentle to theirs.

Sherrystrull · 19/11/2023 13:45

In my experience, fidget toys can be more of a distraction to everyone when they are launched across the room, spun in others eyes and broken.

The only thing that works for me is to sit the child with an adult who they can whisper to rather than calling out.

As you can imagine, this involves staff and funding...

Blackandwhitemakesgrey · 19/11/2023 13:47

WinterWaffle · 19/11/2023 13:10

This is where all this namby pamby gentle nonsense has got us - you think people disagreeing with each other is bullying. It’s pathetic. You’ve obviously never experienced real bullying.

You don’t know anything about me. So surmise to your heart’s content.

The treatment the OP has received on this thread has been shocking, Members of the teaching profession have given a glimpse into what happens in the classroom.

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:50

ilovesooty · 19/11/2023 13:41

@UndertheCedartree what teaching qualifications and experience do you have? You still haven't said what should happen when pupils have repeatedly been asked calmly and respectfully to be quiet and that's been persistently ignored.

I have. I've explained you need to help a DC to do things. You can't just keep repeating yourself over and over.

I do have a lot of experience (education psychology) when I was younger but in more recent years I have learnt a lot from observing DD's teachers when I was in the class helping out/doing an activity or on a trip.

Pooooochi · 19/11/2023 13:51

A primary teacher has got THIRTY children to not just watch for a short period but to actually educate.

They have to shout occasionally. They have to make themselves heard!!

Raising a child to be unable to cope with a raised voice does not make for a resilient adult. Don't worry op your DC is fine.

Pooooochi · 19/11/2023 13:52

I would 100% want my child in the strict class with the teacher who takes zero shit.

I like there to be consistency with how i parent at home.

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:52

Sherrystrull · 19/11/2023 13:45

In my experience, fidget toys can be more of a distraction to everyone when they are launched across the room, spun in others eyes and broken.

The only thing that works for me is to sit the child with an adult who they can whisper to rather than calling out.

As you can imagine, this involves staff and funding...

As I said it really depends on the DC. Some get on with this really well. And yes of course there are constraints due to funding especially now.

ilovesooty · 19/11/2023 13:54

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:50

I have. I've explained you need to help a DC to do things. You can't just keep repeating yourself over and over.

I do have a lot of experience (education psychology) when I was younger but in more recent years I have learnt a lot from observing DD's teachers when I was in the class helping out/doing an activity or on a trip.

Oh I see. No experience of actually managing a classroom then. So what would you do when children are openly and persistently defiant? As in "don't you tell me what to do. You're not my mum"?

WearyAuldWumman · 19/11/2023 13:55

UndertheCedartree · 19/11/2023 13:40

That's the thing the teachers that have 'reminded them many times before' are those that don't put anything in place they just keep repeating themselves and somehow expecting if they keep doing the same thing it will have a different result.

It would obviously completely depend on the DC and situation what I would put in place but for some DC a small fidget toy would help.

😂

You have no idea of the distraction that can be caused by so-called fidget toys...

You're simply replacing one problem with another.