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I have quite strong views on prostitution

415 replies

Tonight1 · 17/11/2023 04:47

Not at all about the women, just that I would not want to date a habitual user! Or punter as they're called. And yes this came up recently.

This is discussion about how you would feel about it?

AIBU - wouldn't mind
YANBU - would mind

OP posts:
VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 19/11/2023 00:17

Isittimeformynapyet · 19/11/2023 00:10

Exactly. But he couldn't see the obvious, even when it was spelled out clearly. He always aimed for really pretty women, the sort who light up a room and get loads of attention, and we all suggested he should look for someone who was also lonely and awkward but he'd just get angry at our audacity.

I was NC with this relative for 17 years until a death in the family forced an unwelcome reunion. He hasn't changed.

Sorry to derail the thread. It's been an interesting read and forced me to think about stuff I'd avoided.

It's the usual male entitlement to not just any woman, but a pretty one.

It's probably best for the gene pool that guys like this don't get to breed.

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 00:18

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 18/11/2023 22:47

If his diagnosis truly reflected that he can’t be around people because he is a danger to them, he would be assigned carers.

He wasn't. And that is a huge failing on the part of social services, not him.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 19/11/2023 00:27

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 00:18

He wasn't. And that is a huge failing on the part of social services, not him.

Autistic women don't get the carers we need either, yet we don't hear of autistic women paying to commit sexual assault. Funny that...

This kind of defence of and excuses for male entitlement is why women are the only political affinity group that I spend meaningful time and money fighting alongside and for. Any political affinity group containing men, such as disability rights campaigners, will eventually require me to betray women for the sake of the male sexual entitlement felt by the men in the group. And I won't do that.

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 00:33

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 19/11/2023 00:27

Autistic women don't get the carers we need either, yet we don't hear of autistic women paying to commit sexual assault. Funny that...

This kind of defence of and excuses for male entitlement is why women are the only political affinity group that I spend meaningful time and money fighting alongside and for. Any political affinity group containing men, such as disability rights campaigners, will eventually require me to betray women for the sake of the male sexual entitlement felt by the men in the group. And I won't do that.

Edited

Are you an autistic woman who managed to have a normal relationship?
Women of all types, autistic or not, find it so much easier to find a partner.
An autistic man, and someone who also had physical disabilities, not so much at all.

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 00:37

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 00:33

Are you an autistic woman who managed to have a normal relationship?
Women of all types, autistic or not, find it so much easier to find a partner.
An autistic man, and someone who also had physical disabilities, not so much at all.

Is that a fact or just your personal belief?

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 00:38

Regardless of it was true il repeat what I said earlier - make loneliness is not a problem for vulnerable women to fix

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 00:41

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 00:37

Is that a fact or just your personal belief?

It was what I witnessed with my friend. He is being exploited.

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 00:44

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 00:41

It was what I witnessed with my friend. He is being exploited.

Riiiiiiight….:So because you know ONE autistic man who you believe is being exploited (after himself exploits women for sex they don’t want) you have decided that autistic women have it much easier than men in getting laid…so it’s ok for autistic men to coerce women into sex? Have I got that right? How many autistic women do you know?

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 01:43

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 00:44

Riiiiiiight….:So because you know ONE autistic man who you believe is being exploited (after himself exploits women for sex they don’t want) you have decided that autistic women have it much easier than men in getting laid…so it’s ok for autistic men to coerce women into sex? Have I got that right? How many autistic women do you know?

I am upset that you yourself said that my friend should be exploited and beat up... because he is autistic.

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 01:45

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 01:43

I am upset that you yourself said that my friend should be exploited and beat up... because he is autistic.

Don’t tell more lies, you’ve already been caught out once - I said I have no sympathy he had money stolen of him by his rape victim because he’s a rapist not because he’s autistic. Never said anything about him being beaten up? Nice try to twist things but you’ve forgotten once again that old posts are there in black and white.

We still see you

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 01:46

Like who the fuck actually reads something and thinks “I’m going to claim they said something ENTIRELY different”. Someone who’s bad at lying I guess 🤷‍♀️

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 01:47

I guess you’re not gonna tell us how many autistic women you know?

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 01:52

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 01:45

Don’t tell more lies, you’ve already been caught out once - I said I have no sympathy he had money stolen of him by his rape victim because he’s a rapist not because he’s autistic. Never said anything about him being beaten up? Nice try to twist things but you’ve forgotten once again that old posts are there in black and white.

We still see you

You see me?
He never had sex with anyone... he wanted company. I have said that several times.
The lady he saw exploited him, and threatened with violence with her boyfriend and my friend made that known to the police.
Like I said, I am still helping him shut down messages from social media.

Why on earth can you not seen that there are prostitutes out there that are prey on vulnerable people?
My friend is one, and I see them out and about with men that have profound learning disabilities. Theses men most likely can not consent at all, because they just don't understand.

FourteenTog · 19/11/2023 01:53

@XenoBitch there isn't some threshold of vulnerability or need, after which it's ok for men to buy women. If he is codependent your friend needs therapy. If he thinks he deserves to buy women, he should be advised to stay away from women (and seek more therapy, regarding boundaries and consent). If you think he is a danger to himself, maybe he shouldn't be living independently (and buying women).

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 01:55

FourteenTog · 19/11/2023 01:53

@XenoBitch there isn't some threshold of vulnerability or need, after which it's ok for men to buy women. If he is codependent your friend needs therapy. If he thinks he deserves to buy women, he should be advised to stay away from women (and seek more therapy, regarding boundaries and consent). If you think he is a danger to himself, maybe he shouldn't be living independently (and buying women).

He has had therapy since (they said it was a form of self harm), and he now has a great support network around him.

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 01:58

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 01:52

You see me?
He never had sex with anyone... he wanted company. I have said that several times.
The lady he saw exploited him, and threatened with violence with her boyfriend and my friend made that known to the police.
Like I said, I am still helping him shut down messages from social media.

Why on earth can you not seen that there are prostitutes out there that are prey on vulnerable people?
My friend is one, and I see them out and about with men that have profound learning disabilities. Theses men most likely can not consent at all, because they just don't understand.

Hang on…he’s gone from ‘uses prostitutes because it’s the only way to get sex’ to ‘be did it once and didn’t like it’ and now you’re claiming he didn’t sleep with any at all?

You know we can read, right?

All people who use prostitutes are predators. All of them. Therefore for the very few who are ‘preyed on’ back - well that’s a hard life lesson to learn. But you can’t rape someone then whinge they stole your money or friend requested you.

Where on Earth do you live where you know all the local prostitutes and also known all the men they are with and their full medical history? Where are you seeing them? Do prostitutes tend to go out in public with their clients?

It doesn’t make sense probably because it’s all bullshit

Anyway I’ll humour and pretend you’re telling the truth - does any of this justify the mass raping of women?

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 01:59

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 01:55

He has had therapy since (they said it was a form of self harm), and he now has a great support network around him.

Can you tell me the name of his therapist please? I’d like to report them for telling him that raping women is a form of self harm.

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 02:01

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 01:59

Can you tell me the name of his therapist please? I’d like to report them for telling him that raping women is a form of self harm.

Mind Self Harmony. I have used them too.
Report ahead.

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 02:04

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 02:01

Mind Self Harmony. I have used them too.
Report ahead.

I will but I will put a disclaimer in the report that this was derived mostly from a fairy story.

Again - how do you know all the prostitutes in Swindon and the medical history of their clients? Where are you seeing them? I’m genuinely intrigued.

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 02:05

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 01:59

Can you tell me the name of his therapist please? I’d like to report them for telling him that raping women is a form of self harm.

He did not rape anyone... he did not have sex with anyone. The local sex workers have been pestering him to get in touch, and I have seen that as I have been the one to block them on his SM pages.

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 02:08

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 02:04

I will but I will put a disclaimer in the report that this was derived mostly from a fairy story.

Again - how do you know all the prostitutes in Swindon and the medical history of their clients? Where are you seeing them? I’m genuinely intrigued.

Edited

Good luck, as the service has known him a while and know his story. The police too.
You are pretty much trying to fuck up the life of a disabled and vulnerable man. I hope you are proud.

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 02:09

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 02:05

He did not rape anyone... he did not have sex with anyone. The local sex workers have been pestering him to get in touch, and I have seen that as I have been the one to block them on his SM pages.

You are a TERRIBLE liar

First “He uses prostituties because he says it’s the only way he can have sex”
Second “Oh no he only used one he lost his virginity to her and never did it again because it wasn’t for him - he hires the rest for a chat” I wasn’t born yesterday
Third: he never had sex with any of them!

Do you believe you’re good at lying? You’re not. Even if I entertained the idea that he only had sex with one (yeah righ) he’s still a rapist. He coerced a woman into sex she didn’t want. What’s that if not rape?

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 02:10

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 02:08

Good luck, as the service has known him a while and know his story. The police too.
You are pretty much trying to fuck up the life of a disabled and vulnerable man. I hope you are proud.

I’m trying to fuck up his life…how?! I’m just a random on MN with no bearing on it at all.

It’s weird how much you defend this man and change your story.

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 02:15

Next we’ll be hearing @XenoBitch friend hired this prostitute for a week for £3,000, took her to the opera, bought her some new designer clothes on Rodeo Drive. The story continues to change drastically I feel this is the direction it’s headed in

XenoBitch · 19/11/2023 02:16

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 19/11/2023 02:09

You are a TERRIBLE liar

First “He uses prostituties because he says it’s the only way he can have sex”
Second “Oh no he only used one he lost his virginity to her and never did it again because it wasn’t for him - he hires the rest for a chat” I wasn’t born yesterday
Third: he never had sex with any of them!

Do you believe you’re good at lying? You’re not. Even if I entertained the idea that he only had sex with one (yeah righ) he’s still a rapist. He coerced a woman into sex she didn’t want. What’s that if not rape?

He used them a few times, and had sex with one (his virginity). The rest were company.
He is not into sex, so did not do it again. Paid for company for the rest. Thought he was doing them a service. He is autistic, so he was taken advantage of... and that is what the police said. Got robbed for hundreds.

I am still not sure what point you are trying to prove. Go on an approach Swindon cops about him.. they already know.. and he is classed as disabled and vulnerable .