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To think Neighbour Recording noises from my Flat/getting a microphone is unhinged

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FreetoBeeme · 14/11/2023 23:38

Hi everyone,

I'm sorry this reads long but there's too much backstory to leave out.

There was a flood in my bathroom this evening after a basin in the sink overflowed. I was distracted because I was trying to coax my child who was in the living room into having a shower and thought it would be quick. However it turned into a small temper tantrum and I temporarily forgot about the basin. Excess water ended up dripping into the downstairs neighbours flat- the man knocked and let me know, I asked is it bad? And his wife echoed from the bottom of the stairs 'It's very bad' in an aggressive voice. I had never met her before but have heard her voice in this similar tone plenty in the stairwell speaking to her husband. This is the THIRD time her husband has knocked on my door now. This time was obviously completely understandable and necessary.

However when I first moved in, he knocked on my door at 4am in the morning because my child was having a night terror and was crying and banging his foot against the bedframe. I was scared and taken aback that someone would knock on my door at those hours and realised instantly that I wasn't dealing with a reasonable person- At this point I hadn't even seen or met anyone in the building. He said 'Have you just moved in?' 'who have you got in there?'- really pushing boundaries with those types of questions as if he's the police. I told him I wasn't opening the door at that time and it could be discussed in the morning. I suffer from increasing anxiety/panic attacks and this really felt like a violation but I was also genuinely disappointed as I'd hoped to get to a good start with my new neighbours. So my partner offered to speak to him on my behalf as tbh I was a bit shaken up. He admitted to my partner that his wife had put him up to knocking on my door at that time as she hadn't gotten on with the previous person who lived here and she believed that THEY had been deliberately banging to bother them. This sounded ridiculous to us both. My partner had also seen her before and maintained that something wasn't quite right with her and we both agreed based on me also hearing her voice. They're a somewhat socially vulnerable seeming couple, the man is quite weedy and slightly dishevelled looking she is completely the opposite, confrontational, loud and aggressive and seems to have clear issues.

The second time he knocked on my door I was doing a short aerobics routine- no jumping as I'm aware someone lives downstairs- and he came knocking again, I explained what I was doing and that I'd be doing this each morning, I politely told him that I appreciate my personal space and it's an upstairs flat so there will be noise from time to time- basically signs of someone living above him. I asked him his name as he started walking away and he didn't even bother to answer.

So tonight, the one time where I feel he was perfectly justified in knocking, I got my shoes and socks on and went downstairs just to apologise for the leaking water and see what, if any damage was done and how they would be moving forward if there's lasting damage etc. just basic decorum. We discussed the leak, which had stopped as soon as I mopped up the water and there was no damage despite her mentioning 'you can already see the rust'- obviously I paid attention in school so I know rust wouldn't and couldn't magically appeared straight after the fact- I thought thought that odd but ignored it.

So I'm speaking to him and his wife at the door. The conversation starts off cordial enough until his wife starts making complaints about other noises in my flat- mechanical sounding noises, rather aggressively like she wanted a confrontation. She mentioned that she had rights regarding noises. I told her that I know my rights as well and that as it's an upstairs flat there will be certain household noises. I had a noisy fridge a while ago and that got fixed. I explained that it could be either that or the vacuum cleaner- after going round the houses over this for a while and me reiterating that it must have been the fridge but that that was fixed, she turned to me and said 'I think you're gaslighting me'. She swore that she could still hear the noises. She mentioned that she had been recording them! I asked to hear the recordings but her husband couldn't find them in his phone. She and her husband said they would knock AGAIN once they heard the noise again so we could identify what it was. She also said that she believes the noise suddenly switches off when they enter the building- insinuating that I'm somehow playing games. She then said that she was going to buy a microphone to record the noise. Things started to feel surreal and blatantly antagonistic then and I knew I needed to end the interaction. I told her that that sounds like surveillance to me. As I was genuinely perplexed about what this noise could be, I ended the conversation by saying to her husband come up if you hear the noise as I don't know what it is. Before anyone suggests this was inappropriate, it is him who she has been sending up doing the bidding the whole time and she was clearly spoiling for a fight by then, plus he'd said he would. The whole thing is ridiculous but I wanted to get to the bottom of her 'noise' claim and then basically tell them to back off.

As soon as I got upstairs I went about my routine telling my child that they were going to have a shower- that's when I realised what the sound she was talking about was- I have a giant boiler next to the shower and switches for the hot water and the water pressure pump. When the water pressure pump is also in use, when having a shower it does make a low pitched, basal groaning type of sound- however that is simply the plumbing of the place and it's not like I'm lavishing in the shower for hours on end in a cost of living crisis. Either way, it's literally the sound of the cogs turning in the place and doesn't last for more than under ten minutes at a time, most times.

Based on this woman's attitude and energy towards me, which seemed pented up, it would seem she has been moaning about everyday usage sounds at my flat- not jumping, not shouting, not loud music, arguing or anti-social behaviour- yet she has a problem with the sound of a motor/pump coming from the shower during sociable hours? Surely it didn't just start making this specific noise when I moved in?

Both seem like utterly unpleasant, entitled irrational people. From their behaviours they seem to both have issues going on. The man seems beleaguered but equally unpleasant. I'm trying to not let this affect me but I literally haven't done my aerobics since and trust me, I really need the exercise. Now I know it's the shower, what am I going to do? Stop washing my hair? I also feel like I'm tiptoeing around the flat, yet still knowing that it doesn't matter and that they'd find ANYTHING to complain about. AIBU to think this couple are completely unhinged? What is to be done about this type of behaviour?

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NotReadyForThisYet · 14/11/2023 23:51

They're a somewhat socially vulnerable seeming couple, the man is quite weedy and slightly dishevelled looking she is completely the opposite, confrontational, loud and aggressive and seems to have clear issues.

This is horribly judgmental.

I’m not sure how long you’ve lived above them but in that time you’ve had :

A noisy fridge
Woken them at 4am
Done aerobics on their ceiling
Got a noisy water pump that makes a racket each time you shower
Have flooded their flat

and you think they are the issue!

WandaWonder · 14/11/2023 23:55

This is a great summary, op you think the neighbour has the problem?

Beepbeepoutoftheway · 14/11/2023 23:56

Tbh, your neighbours don't sound like the problem...

curaçao · 14/11/2023 23:56

You knock and say you have discovered the source of the noise and it is theshower so it should only lasy a matter of minutes each time.
Also I think aerobics for a larger lady in an upstairs flat is a no no

Thehonestybox · 14/11/2023 23:58

sorry but if you live above someone in a flat your just can't do daily morning aerobic routines, or a boiler that makes a loud noise for every shower that happens (guessing that's 2-4 showers a day in your household?).

Then you flooded their flat...

Sorry... You are the problem neighbour

THisbackwithavengeance · 15/11/2023 00:00

Wow. Snippy replies OP.

You can't help the plumbing. The leaking bathroom was unfortunate but these things happen. And kids cry sometimes.

Just ignore OP. Any talk of a microphone etc just reply ok then I'll wait to hear from the council and shut the door.

Noise in a flat is inevitable.

IGotItFromAgnes · 15/11/2023 00:03

You are being a bit unreasonable with the aerobics, but the rest sounds like normal household noise, albeit on the slightly louder end of normal.

I have to admit I wouldn’t be delighted with an upstairs neighbour who was that noisy, but that’s just life in a flat - your neighbour needs to find ways to deal with it.

Dinglewoop · 15/11/2023 00:04

Not really anything you can do about the plumbing and those sound like pretty normal day to day noises to me. The couple seem like they're looking for a fight and if they had problems with previous flat owners I imagine it's them. Some neighbours are just difficult.

Pleasestopurbs · 15/11/2023 00:05

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JacJac77 · 15/11/2023 00:06

As someone who lives beneath a family with three teenage boys, noise from above can be extremely annoying. Just them walking across the room sometimes sounds like a herd of elephants, and when they are watching football I swear my whole flat shakes. But I don't complain because I realise that I make noise too, it's part and parcel of lving in a flat. Do you ever hear noise from them OP? I would play them at their own game, and make a mental note of things you hear, and mention them next time they complain. You say that you can hear her shouting at her husband? Recall the comments back to them! Can you hear their TV? Flushing toilet? "Oooh did you eat something bad? I could hear your toilet going all night..."

THisbackwithavengeance · 15/11/2023 00:07

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Don't be a twat

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 15/11/2023 00:12

I bet you live in council/housing

@Pleasestopurbs WTAF is this comment about?! Explain why you think this please

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 15/11/2023 00:12

“Save up and buy a house” 🤣

Bet the OP never thought of that, with it being so easy

theduchessofspork · 15/11/2023 00:14

You shouldn’t be doing aerobics routines in a flat
You shouldn’t be running a shower pump (assuming it’s a power shower pump - they are very noisy, just deal with a normal shower)
you should have stopped your child kicking the bedframe straight away

The fridge and boiler are fine, but minimise/insulate if possible.

You sound like more of a PITA than they are

theduchessofspork · 15/11/2023 00:16

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And you are crazier than the OP and her neighbour together.

Houses are hard to buy. If you are noise sensitive, why don’t you find a top floor flat?

whatwouldAnnaDelveydo · 15/11/2023 00:19

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There is a special place in hell for people like you, hope you enjoy it. Or maybe, save enough and get a place in heaven...

Canisaysomething · 15/11/2023 00:20

if you want peace and quiet, don’t live in a ground floor flat!

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surreygirl1987 · 15/11/2023 00:23

Actually, I'm with the neigbour. The flooding? Appalling - I'd be furious. Could have been avoided.

Night terrors are awful (my son has rhem) and that's not your fault... but neither is it theirs. They heard screaming coming from your flat at 4am - of course they're going to knock! I've knocked on my downstairs neighbours' flat (when I used to live in a flat) in the night for far less noise than that.

Aerobics? In a flat when you know you will disturb people below? Again, no. Very selfish.

The shower noise is unfortunate. I'd see if it can be fixed but if not they may just have to live with it. But for goodness sake, you need to take look at yourself and stop blaming the victims here; you are the problem!

LTBarbara · 15/11/2023 00:25

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Maybe she owns a flat in London which is the value of your house several times over.

Itsbritneybitch22 · 15/11/2023 00:26

@curaçao Who said she’s a larger lady?

StellaGibson2022 · 15/11/2023 00:26

OP, ignore some replies on this. I live in a flat and fully understand that there will be noise from the family above and my neighbours below fully understand they will on occasion hear my family.

Your neighbours sound like they have an unhealthy and sensitive ear to noise. Be polite, keep your distance. I would never open my door at 4am either!

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 15/11/2023 00:29

StellaGibson2022 · 15/11/2023 00:26

OP, ignore some replies on this. I live in a flat and fully understand that there will be noise from the family above and my neighbours below fully understand they will on occasion hear my family.

Your neighbours sound like they have an unhealthy and sensitive ear to noise. Be polite, keep your distance. I would never open my door at 4am either!

I agree with this. I’ve lived in a flat you expect noise from above and you expect to be heard as well

Itsbritneybitch22 · 15/11/2023 00:30

Some of the replies on here are fucking mental.

Put the wine down and go to bed ladies ffs.

Dinglewoop · 15/11/2023 00:33

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This is so mean and wrong on so many levels.

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