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To think Neighbour Recording noises from my Flat/getting a microphone is unhinged

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FreetoBeeme · 14/11/2023 23:38

Hi everyone,

I'm sorry this reads long but there's too much backstory to leave out.

There was a flood in my bathroom this evening after a basin in the sink overflowed. I was distracted because I was trying to coax my child who was in the living room into having a shower and thought it would be quick. However it turned into a small temper tantrum and I temporarily forgot about the basin. Excess water ended up dripping into the downstairs neighbours flat- the man knocked and let me know, I asked is it bad? And his wife echoed from the bottom of the stairs 'It's very bad' in an aggressive voice. I had never met her before but have heard her voice in this similar tone plenty in the stairwell speaking to her husband. This is the THIRD time her husband has knocked on my door now. This time was obviously completely understandable and necessary.

However when I first moved in, he knocked on my door at 4am in the morning because my child was having a night terror and was crying and banging his foot against the bedframe. I was scared and taken aback that someone would knock on my door at those hours and realised instantly that I wasn't dealing with a reasonable person- At this point I hadn't even seen or met anyone in the building. He said 'Have you just moved in?' 'who have you got in there?'- really pushing boundaries with those types of questions as if he's the police. I told him I wasn't opening the door at that time and it could be discussed in the morning. I suffer from increasing anxiety/panic attacks and this really felt like a violation but I was also genuinely disappointed as I'd hoped to get to a good start with my new neighbours. So my partner offered to speak to him on my behalf as tbh I was a bit shaken up. He admitted to my partner that his wife had put him up to knocking on my door at that time as she hadn't gotten on with the previous person who lived here and she believed that THEY had been deliberately banging to bother them. This sounded ridiculous to us both. My partner had also seen her before and maintained that something wasn't quite right with her and we both agreed based on me also hearing her voice. They're a somewhat socially vulnerable seeming couple, the man is quite weedy and slightly dishevelled looking she is completely the opposite, confrontational, loud and aggressive and seems to have clear issues.

The second time he knocked on my door I was doing a short aerobics routine- no jumping as I'm aware someone lives downstairs- and he came knocking again, I explained what I was doing and that I'd be doing this each morning, I politely told him that I appreciate my personal space and it's an upstairs flat so there will be noise from time to time- basically signs of someone living above him. I asked him his name as he started walking away and he didn't even bother to answer.

So tonight, the one time where I feel he was perfectly justified in knocking, I got my shoes and socks on and went downstairs just to apologise for the leaking water and see what, if any damage was done and how they would be moving forward if there's lasting damage etc. just basic decorum. We discussed the leak, which had stopped as soon as I mopped up the water and there was no damage despite her mentioning 'you can already see the rust'- obviously I paid attention in school so I know rust wouldn't and couldn't magically appeared straight after the fact- I thought thought that odd but ignored it.

So I'm speaking to him and his wife at the door. The conversation starts off cordial enough until his wife starts making complaints about other noises in my flat- mechanical sounding noises, rather aggressively like she wanted a confrontation. She mentioned that she had rights regarding noises. I told her that I know my rights as well and that as it's an upstairs flat there will be certain household noises. I had a noisy fridge a while ago and that got fixed. I explained that it could be either that or the vacuum cleaner- after going round the houses over this for a while and me reiterating that it must have been the fridge but that that was fixed, she turned to me and said 'I think you're gaslighting me'. She swore that she could still hear the noises. She mentioned that she had been recording them! I asked to hear the recordings but her husband couldn't find them in his phone. She and her husband said they would knock AGAIN once they heard the noise again so we could identify what it was. She also said that she believes the noise suddenly switches off when they enter the building- insinuating that I'm somehow playing games. She then said that she was going to buy a microphone to record the noise. Things started to feel surreal and blatantly antagonistic then and I knew I needed to end the interaction. I told her that that sounds like surveillance to me. As I was genuinely perplexed about what this noise could be, I ended the conversation by saying to her husband come up if you hear the noise as I don't know what it is. Before anyone suggests this was inappropriate, it is him who she has been sending up doing the bidding the whole time and she was clearly spoiling for a fight by then, plus he'd said he would. The whole thing is ridiculous but I wanted to get to the bottom of her 'noise' claim and then basically tell them to back off.

As soon as I got upstairs I went about my routine telling my child that they were going to have a shower- that's when I realised what the sound she was talking about was- I have a giant boiler next to the shower and switches for the hot water and the water pressure pump. When the water pressure pump is also in use, when having a shower it does make a low pitched, basal groaning type of sound- however that is simply the plumbing of the place and it's not like I'm lavishing in the shower for hours on end in a cost of living crisis. Either way, it's literally the sound of the cogs turning in the place and doesn't last for more than under ten minutes at a time, most times.

Based on this woman's attitude and energy towards me, which seemed pented up, it would seem she has been moaning about everyday usage sounds at my flat- not jumping, not shouting, not loud music, arguing or anti-social behaviour- yet she has a problem with the sound of a motor/pump coming from the shower during sociable hours? Surely it didn't just start making this specific noise when I moved in?

Both seem like utterly unpleasant, entitled irrational people. From their behaviours they seem to both have issues going on. The man seems beleaguered but equally unpleasant. I'm trying to not let this affect me but I literally haven't done my aerobics since and trust me, I really need the exercise. Now I know it's the shower, what am I going to do? Stop washing my hair? I also feel like I'm tiptoeing around the flat, yet still knowing that it doesn't matter and that they'd find ANYTHING to complain about. AIBU to think this couple are completely unhinged? What is to be done about this type of behaviour?

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FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 00:33

StellaGibson2022 · 15/11/2023 00:26

OP, ignore some replies on this. I live in a flat and fully understand that there will be noise from the family above and my neighbours below fully understand they will on occasion hear my family.

Your neighbours sound like they have an unhealthy and sensitive ear to noise. Be polite, keep your distance. I would never open my door at 4am either!

Thank you! I already have. Some people want to project their misery onto others, water and ducks back come to mind.

I really think knocking on anyone's door at 4am is asking for trouble. Legally, a child crying is not considered anti-social behaviour and nor should it be!

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Pinkitydrinkity0 · 15/11/2023 00:36

I don’t think you have been unreasonable, if you live in a downstairs flat you need to accept there will be some noise. It sounds like they had a bad experience with the last upstairs neighbours and are taking it out on you.

I’d probably stop the aerobics though!

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FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 00:37

IGotItFromAgnes · 15/11/2023 00:03

You are being a bit unreasonable with the aerobics, but the rest sounds like normal household noise, albeit on the slightly louder end of normal.

I have to admit I wouldn’t be delighted with an upstairs neighbour who was that noisy, but that’s just life in a flat - your neighbour needs to find ways to deal with it.

The aerobics were ten minute routines with zero jumping. Complaining about hearing ten minutes worth of low impact movement is OTT for me, regardless I did say I stopped doing it.

I do think the rest is normal in a flat like you say, I've heard a lot worse than someone just getting on with their life in a flat. The woman was literally teaming for an argument, raising her voice and all the rest.

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AgaMM · 15/11/2023 00:37

The aerobics - definitely not ok, and puts you firmly in the wrong.

The other stuff, unavoidable and not sure what you could do! Can the pump be replaced or removed?

QueenCamilla · 15/11/2023 00:40

They may have thought you were hurting your child, with screaming, crying and banging in the night. So I can't hold it against them.

The aerobics thing is totally unreasonable. Try plates if you can't go for a walk or run for some reason.

The flooding is of course on you.

An balance, a less noisy boiler wouldn't do much to make you a good neighbour.

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 00:42

Itsbritneybitch22 · 15/11/2023 00:30

Some of the replies on here are fucking mental.

Put the wine down and go to bed ladies ffs.

Thank you! I literally can't take them seriously though. Miserable people intentionally trying to project their misery onto others- sad sack behaviour. I've got bitter extended family members like this so I know how to deal with them- ignore and stay far and wide of them.

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TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 15/11/2023 00:44

To knock on the door of a woman with a baby at 4am to complain about screaming is diabolical.

This thread just affirms my theory that some people like to just stick a boot into the OP no matter what they say. If someone posted saying “My upstairs neighbour is a nightmare I can hear her pipes when she showers and I banged on the door at 4am because her baby was screaming” they’d be torn a new one.

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 00:47

AgaMM · 15/11/2023 00:37

The aerobics - definitely not ok, and puts you firmly in the wrong.

The other stuff, unavoidable and not sure what you could do! Can the pump be replaced or removed?

The aerobics were ten minute low impact routines and I've actually stopped them since he knocked. I personally believe ten minutes of movement with no jumping shouldn't be an issue.

This same woman bounded into her flat shouting and slamming doors around 1am the other night. I just feel they're entitled because they've probably lived there a long time.

About the other noises, I don't see why I would look into plumbing when the issue was clearly pre-existing and they've clearly heard it over the years? It's just the wheels and cogs of the place turning imo! I'm literally in the shower for under ten mins.

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GettinChillyHereFFS · 15/11/2023 00:47

You're not coming across as well as you think you are in that op, op.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 15/11/2023 00:48

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Found the downstairs neighbour 😂

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 00:49

I also just wanted to say, I also think it could be my electric toothbrush she might be hearing?! I go to bed quite late sometimes and it's quite loud. I always make sure to shut the door before I do, but a flat is a flat.

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GettinChillyHereFFS · 15/11/2023 00:53

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 15/11/2023 00:44

To knock on the door of a woman with a baby at 4am to complain about screaming is diabolical.

This thread just affirms my theory that some people like to just stick a boot into the OP no matter what they say. If someone posted saying “My upstairs neighbour is a nightmare I can hear her pipes when she showers and I banged on the door at 4am because her baby was screaming” they’d be torn a new one.

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Its not a baby. Its old enough to bang its foot continuously against the bedframe to make significant noise, whilst being allowed to do so.

Why didn't you stop that, op?

IGotItFromAgnes · 15/11/2023 00:53

If they can hear your electric toothbrush then the issue is with the soundproofing not any noise you’re making.

They just sound like they’re not well suited for living in a lower floor flat tbh. Hopefully they’ll realise and try to move somewhere else.

HelloOhHell · 15/11/2023 00:54

what type of flat do you live in? You said you’re not jumping during your aerobic routine yet he came up and you explained yourself so there must be some type of banging/rumbling/vibrating??

I live in a Victorian flat 2nd floor, it’s purpose built but still noisy AF even with no jump routines. I work out in the kitchen/toward the back of my flat where there are no bedrooms. I’ve told them to let me know if they can ever hear me.

I think from what you said your relationship is far too gone now… living in flats isn’t for the weak thsts for sure 😩

hope everything works out for you

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 00:56

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IGotItFromAgnes · 15/11/2023 00:57

GettinChillyHereFFS · 15/11/2023 00:53

Its not a baby. Its old enough to bang its foot continuously against the bedframe to make significant noise, whilst being allowed to do so.

Why didn't you stop that, op?

Not that much OP can do if her child’s having a night terror - it’s not conscious behaviour on the child’s part. NHS guidance is not to wake them, talk to them or stop them moving around unless they’re going to hurt themselves or others.

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 00:58

TrishIsMySpiritAnimal · 15/11/2023 00:44

To knock on the door of a woman with a baby at 4am to complain about screaming is diabolical.

This thread just affirms my theory that some people like to just stick a boot into the OP no matter what they say. If someone posted saying “My upstairs neighbour is a nightmare I can hear her pipes when she showers and I banged on the door at 4am because her baby was screaming” they’d be torn a new one.

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Perhaps we should try this as an experiment one day eh?!😊 Thank you. Some of the replies here are definitely intentionally antagonistic and I have noticed this trend of certain people coming onto the OP strongly. I think it's a psychological thing, certain types of people come online for supply- they know that AIBU threads will be people already feeling deflated some way and that's their only way of getting some psuedo power in their lives- sucks for them. Ah well, I appreciate responses like yours.

I also don't get why I would get my plumbing fixed like some are suggesting, when there's actually nothing wrong- homes sometimes do make sounds. A few of the replies here are somehow asking me to shrink my existence to make already odd neighbours happier. Why would I pay through the ass just for them to come knocking about something else in the future. They had problems with the previous person as well.

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misshersoup · 15/11/2023 00:58

What's your flooring like?

Shakesapear · 15/11/2023 00:58

There are a few things going on here:

  • crap soundproofing
  • your neighbours are overly sensitive and have had enough. They're obviously now unpleasant.
  • you have a child and live a normal life which includes making a bit of noise.
I know it's a pain moving house but there is nothing worse than horrible neighbours or not feeling comfortable in your own home. If you can move, do.
VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:02

GettinChillyHereFFS · 15/11/2023 00:53

Its not a baby. Its old enough to bang its foot continuously against the bedframe to make significant noise, whilst being allowed to do so.

Why didn't you stop that, op?

Have you ever had night terrors?

No, of course you haven't.

A student at my last-job-but-one got night terrors. In the middle of the night on a camping field trip, he had a night terror and ran over the edge of a cliff to his death.

Night terrors aren't rational and the sufferer frequently isn't awake during the screaming and thrashing.

Perhaps there should be an exam before anyone can create a Mumsnet account, with common childhood disorders like night terrors on the exam paper.

HelloOhHell · 15/11/2023 01:02

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 00:49

I also just wanted to say, I also think it could be my electric toothbrush she might be hearing?! I go to bed quite late sometimes and it's quite loud. I always make sure to shut the door before I do, but a flat is a flat.

dont do this to yourself…. A toothbrush? You will be frightened to move around at this rate.

You should know if you’re taking the piss, eg, my upstairs neighbour likes to vacuum her whole flat front to back, scraping the crevice tool on her floor, and dragging the vacuum along the floor from 11:30. Not every evening but often enough to know she’s taking the mick.

I’ve asked her not to but she’s just a dick. A bit like @Pleasestopurbs

GrumpyPanda · 15/11/2023 01:03

Of ffs. OP said aerobics - not step aerobics. And she's not been doing hours of it. Unless she's using blaring background music, short periods of mild exercise are ordinary daily living surely. (Obviously Pilates or say kettlebell would be equally valid exercises.) As to the individuals getting a fit of the vapours because OPs family of three might be having two or even - gasp!- four daily showers - what is this batshittery? She's not installing a trampoline or conducting daily drum sessions. There's nothing here to indicate she's anything other than considerate.

OP your neighbours are stark raving mad. Don't let them change your routine, including getting some exercise. The only thing you may want to do differently is to keep a precise diary of their harassment in case it's ever needed.

westwoods · 15/11/2023 01:07

HelloOhHell · 15/11/2023 01:02

dont do this to yourself…. A toothbrush? You will be frightened to move around at this rate.

You should know if you’re taking the piss, eg, my upstairs neighbour likes to vacuum her whole flat front to back, scraping the crevice tool on her floor, and dragging the vacuum along the floor from 11:30. Not every evening but often enough to know she’s taking the mick.

I’ve asked her not to but she’s just a dick. A bit like @Pleasestopurbs

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No, I've got noise complaints and when I went and had a listen downstairs to my partner's nightly activities it was being amplified like crazy. They prob assumed we were having a whale of a time vacuuming or something too. No wonder they were going increasingly crazy about the littlest sounds.

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:09

Shakesapear · 15/11/2023 00:58

There are a few things going on here:

  • crap soundproofing
  • your neighbours are overly sensitive and have had enough. They're obviously now unpleasant.
  • you have a child and live a normal life which includes making a bit of noise.
I know it's a pain moving house but there is nothing worse than horrible neighbours or not feeling comfortable in your own home. If you can move, do.

Yes! I didn't mention this but the soundproofing is non-existent. Their bathroom is directly below mine and if we're in our bathrooms at the same time, it basically sounds like being in the same room😳

I've literally not moved here long but they also had problems with the person that lived here before so I've been told by the husband. Apparently they knocked on the door about the smell of their cooking!

And thanks, children will make noise from time to time.

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