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To think Neighbour Recording noises from my Flat/getting a microphone is unhinged

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FreetoBeeme · 14/11/2023 23:38

Hi everyone,

I'm sorry this reads long but there's too much backstory to leave out.

There was a flood in my bathroom this evening after a basin in the sink overflowed. I was distracted because I was trying to coax my child who was in the living room into having a shower and thought it would be quick. However it turned into a small temper tantrum and I temporarily forgot about the basin. Excess water ended up dripping into the downstairs neighbours flat- the man knocked and let me know, I asked is it bad? And his wife echoed from the bottom of the stairs 'It's very bad' in an aggressive voice. I had never met her before but have heard her voice in this similar tone plenty in the stairwell speaking to her husband. This is the THIRD time her husband has knocked on my door now. This time was obviously completely understandable and necessary.

However when I first moved in, he knocked on my door at 4am in the morning because my child was having a night terror and was crying and banging his foot against the bedframe. I was scared and taken aback that someone would knock on my door at those hours and realised instantly that I wasn't dealing with a reasonable person- At this point I hadn't even seen or met anyone in the building. He said 'Have you just moved in?' 'who have you got in there?'- really pushing boundaries with those types of questions as if he's the police. I told him I wasn't opening the door at that time and it could be discussed in the morning. I suffer from increasing anxiety/panic attacks and this really felt like a violation but I was also genuinely disappointed as I'd hoped to get to a good start with my new neighbours. So my partner offered to speak to him on my behalf as tbh I was a bit shaken up. He admitted to my partner that his wife had put him up to knocking on my door at that time as she hadn't gotten on with the previous person who lived here and she believed that THEY had been deliberately banging to bother them. This sounded ridiculous to us both. My partner had also seen her before and maintained that something wasn't quite right with her and we both agreed based on me also hearing her voice. They're a somewhat socially vulnerable seeming couple, the man is quite weedy and slightly dishevelled looking she is completely the opposite, confrontational, loud and aggressive and seems to have clear issues.

The second time he knocked on my door I was doing a short aerobics routine- no jumping as I'm aware someone lives downstairs- and he came knocking again, I explained what I was doing and that I'd be doing this each morning, I politely told him that I appreciate my personal space and it's an upstairs flat so there will be noise from time to time- basically signs of someone living above him. I asked him his name as he started walking away and he didn't even bother to answer.

So tonight, the one time where I feel he was perfectly justified in knocking, I got my shoes and socks on and went downstairs just to apologise for the leaking water and see what, if any damage was done and how they would be moving forward if there's lasting damage etc. just basic decorum. We discussed the leak, which had stopped as soon as I mopped up the water and there was no damage despite her mentioning 'you can already see the rust'- obviously I paid attention in school so I know rust wouldn't and couldn't magically appeared straight after the fact- I thought thought that odd but ignored it.

So I'm speaking to him and his wife at the door. The conversation starts off cordial enough until his wife starts making complaints about other noises in my flat- mechanical sounding noises, rather aggressively like she wanted a confrontation. She mentioned that she had rights regarding noises. I told her that I know my rights as well and that as it's an upstairs flat there will be certain household noises. I had a noisy fridge a while ago and that got fixed. I explained that it could be either that or the vacuum cleaner- after going round the houses over this for a while and me reiterating that it must have been the fridge but that that was fixed, she turned to me and said 'I think you're gaslighting me'. She swore that she could still hear the noises. She mentioned that she had been recording them! I asked to hear the recordings but her husband couldn't find them in his phone. She and her husband said they would knock AGAIN once they heard the noise again so we could identify what it was. She also said that she believes the noise suddenly switches off when they enter the building- insinuating that I'm somehow playing games. She then said that she was going to buy a microphone to record the noise. Things started to feel surreal and blatantly antagonistic then and I knew I needed to end the interaction. I told her that that sounds like surveillance to me. As I was genuinely perplexed about what this noise could be, I ended the conversation by saying to her husband come up if you hear the noise as I don't know what it is. Before anyone suggests this was inappropriate, it is him who she has been sending up doing the bidding the whole time and she was clearly spoiling for a fight by then, plus he'd said he would. The whole thing is ridiculous but I wanted to get to the bottom of her 'noise' claim and then basically tell them to back off.

As soon as I got upstairs I went about my routine telling my child that they were going to have a shower- that's when I realised what the sound she was talking about was- I have a giant boiler next to the shower and switches for the hot water and the water pressure pump. When the water pressure pump is also in use, when having a shower it does make a low pitched, basal groaning type of sound- however that is simply the plumbing of the place and it's not like I'm lavishing in the shower for hours on end in a cost of living crisis. Either way, it's literally the sound of the cogs turning in the place and doesn't last for more than under ten minutes at a time, most times.

Based on this woman's attitude and energy towards me, which seemed pented up, it would seem she has been moaning about everyday usage sounds at my flat- not jumping, not shouting, not loud music, arguing or anti-social behaviour- yet she has a problem with the sound of a motor/pump coming from the shower during sociable hours? Surely it didn't just start making this specific noise when I moved in?

Both seem like utterly unpleasant, entitled irrational people. From their behaviours they seem to both have issues going on. The man seems beleaguered but equally unpleasant. I'm trying to not let this affect me but I literally haven't done my aerobics since and trust me, I really need the exercise. Now I know it's the shower, what am I going to do? Stop washing my hair? I also feel like I'm tiptoeing around the flat, yet still knowing that it doesn't matter and that they'd find ANYTHING to complain about. AIBU to think this couple are completely unhinged? What is to be done about this type of behaviour?

OP posts:
JFT · 15/11/2023 01:11

I'm not sure this post is a joke or for real. However, if it's real, you sound like my idea of a noisy neighbour from hell and no wonder your neighbours are frazzled. I would move somewhere where noise transfers less easily, such as a newbuilt concrete block or a ground floor. House conversions are a nightmare for even the most civil and cordial of neighbours and most people take a lot of time and effort to try and minimise the noise they make.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:11

My next-door neighbours have a hella noisy water hammer in the pipes leading to the bathroom ever since they had the boiler replaced. After an exchange of texts to identify the source of the noise, I let it slide. It's not like they take multiple bath per day each or bathe at silly o'clock at night.

I play the trumpet. I don't practice late at night. They don't complain.

Their son has ADHD and stims a lot when in his room, which I can hear from my study during my work day. I'm autistic and, whilst the sound irritates me, I know that not stimming is just not an option for him so I put some music on.

Being a bellend about reasonable noise is a choice that OP's neighbours have chosen to make. The only respect in which OP has been unreasonable is by allowing the basin to overflow. Never turn your back on a filling container, especially if kids are involved.

GettinChillyHereFFS · 15/11/2023 01:13

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:02

Have you ever had night terrors?

No, of course you haven't.

A student at my last-job-but-one got night terrors. In the middle of the night on a camping field trip, he had a night terror and ran over the edge of a cliff to his death.

Night terrors aren't rational and the sufferer frequently isn't awake during the screaming and thrashing.

Perhaps there should be an exam before anyone can create a Mumsnet account, with common childhood disorders like night terrors on the exam paper.

Bit of an assumption there. I do have night terrors actually. I see spiders dropping down on me or mice in the bed, they're ones I remember. My dh says it's like something out of the ring sometimes.

But if I was smacking my foot against a bed frame, hard enough to make banging sounds that could be heard elsewhere he'd hold my foot or put a pillow or blanket against the frame to protect my foot.

Hope op's kid didn't end up with a bruised and injured foot in her stand of her 'right to make noise' 👍🏼

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:13

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:02

Have you ever had night terrors?

No, of course you haven't.

A student at my last-job-but-one got night terrors. In the middle of the night on a camping field trip, he had a night terror and ran over the edge of a cliff to his death.

Night terrors aren't rational and the sufferer frequently isn't awake during the screaming and thrashing.

Perhaps there should be an exam before anyone can create a Mumsnet account, with common childhood disorders like night terrors on the exam paper.

Thank you! Night terrors can't be stopped. I've tried waking, gently talking, soothing etc. it doesn't matter. They run in my family, my dad has them, I used to sleepwalk and I still jump out of my sleep, talk etc.

I love your proposal about this exam. I've had a chuckle about how ignorant some of these responses have been. Someone called it 'disobedience'😁

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westwoods · 15/11/2023 01:14

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:09

Yes! I didn't mention this but the soundproofing is non-existent. Their bathroom is directly below mine and if we're in our bathrooms at the same time, it basically sounds like being in the same room😳

I've literally not moved here long but they also had problems with the person that lived here before so I've been told by the husband. Apparently they knocked on the door about the smell of their cooking!

And thanks, children will make noise from time to time.

I'm not one of those who just try to shit on the OP for no reason, but I think it's a combination of them being oversensitive, and you completely lacking self awareness and consideration.

I already got that slight feeling from the way you underplayed the flooding (yes you hold your hands up ha ha oops, but if it's gone from your floorboards through to their ceiling, it's a huge and not normal thing that could cause them hell in terms of potential damage IMO?! My ceiling actually collapsed for this reason due to long term mild leakage from upstairs. Or am I just unexposed and this is common...).

And then this – surely the crap soundproofing is the VERY first thing anyone would mention in their OP, even if they still then said the neighbours were overreacting/crazy? You don't sound like a reliable narrator...

Somewhereoverthersinbowweighapie · 15/11/2023 01:15

I would just get a ring doorbell and not answer the door to them.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:16

JFT · 15/11/2023 01:11

I'm not sure this post is a joke or for real. However, if it's real, you sound like my idea of a noisy neighbour from hell and no wonder your neighbours are frazzled. I would move somewhere where noise transfers less easily, such as a newbuilt concrete block or a ground floor. House conversions are a nightmare for even the most civil and cordial of neighbours and most people take a lot of time and effort to try and minimise the noise they make.

How come the OP gets the blame for sound carrying and not the slumlord who carried out the conversion as cheaply as possible with no soundproofing? If the building work was done to a decent standard, it would not be possible to hear an electric toothbrush from the floor below.

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:17

GettinChillyHereFFS · 15/11/2023 01:13

Bit of an assumption there. I do have night terrors actually. I see spiders dropping down on me or mice in the bed, they're ones I remember. My dh says it's like something out of the ring sometimes.

But if I was smacking my foot against a bed frame, hard enough to make banging sounds that could be heard elsewhere he'd hold my foot or put a pillow or blanket against the frame to protect my foot.

Hope op's kid didn't end up with a bruised and injured foot in her stand of her 'right to make noise' 👍🏼

And who said I didn't hold their feet? It didn't stop them from thrashing about and shrieking did it? Oh how will I ever get over your judgement? If you really had night terrors you wouldn't be talking utter tripe about them.

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WiIIowT · 15/11/2023 01:18

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 00:49

I also just wanted to say, I also think it could be my electric toothbrush she might be hearing?! I go to bed quite late sometimes and it's quite loud. I always make sure to shut the door before I do, but a flat is a flat.

You sure it's your toothbrush? 🤣

GettinChillyHereFFS · 15/11/2023 01:21

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:21

WiIIowT · 15/11/2023 01:18

You sure it's your toothbrush? 🤣

😂😂

I always know when my neighbours are DTD because they play music way loud enough to hear through the wall in my bedroom. Exactly once per week, never more than an hour, and never at any other time.

TBH I'd rather just hear them shagging because their music taste is terrible.

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:22

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:11

My next-door neighbours have a hella noisy water hammer in the pipes leading to the bathroom ever since they had the boiler replaced. After an exchange of texts to identify the source of the noise, I let it slide. It's not like they take multiple bath per day each or bathe at silly o'clock at night.

I play the trumpet. I don't practice late at night. They don't complain.

Their son has ADHD and stims a lot when in his room, which I can hear from my study during my work day. I'm autistic and, whilst the sound irritates me, I know that not stimming is just not an option for him so I put some music on.

Being a bellend about reasonable noise is a choice that OP's neighbours have chosen to make. The only respect in which OP has been unreasonable is by allowing the basin to overflow. Never turn your back on a filling container, especially if kids are involved.

I agree with you. It's not like we're showering 24/7. I also agree that obviously the flooding was on me- no issue with him knocking about that certainly, it was a silly mishap.

That was the exact thing I was trying to ascertain, my issue is them complaining about 'reasonable' noise. Some people here can call aerobics unreasonable but I keep saying, they were ten minute, low impact routines with NO jumping whatsoever. Also knocking on my door at 4am? I love to see them try and do this to certain other families. Legally I know I'm not breaking any anti-social laws, far from it actually.

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SinnerBoy · 15/11/2023 01:22

Pleasestopurbs · Today 00:05

I have lived below a child. There is a special place in hell for you lot.

Like the song says:
"And when you get to Heaven, may the Devil be your judge."

TheChippendenSpook · 15/11/2023 01:22

Do they just complain about you or does your partner/husband not live with you? You've called him both so it's a bit confusing.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:23

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why move to a shit flat conversion

Because that's the housing that's available right now? Do you live under a rock? There's a housing crisis right now.

HelloOhHell · 15/11/2023 01:25

westwoods · 15/11/2023 01:07

No, I've got noise complaints and when I went and had a listen downstairs to my partner's nightly activities it was being amplified like crazy. They prob assumed we were having a whale of a time vacuuming or something too. No wonder they were going increasingly crazy about the littlest sounds.

Yes, you’re right this is true.

I might have missed your post, what exactly was your partner doing (or were you just giving an example)?

RenovationNightmare · 15/11/2023 01:27

You sound difficult and in the majority of the examples given - your household is the problem.
Night terrors can't be helped, but why wouldn't you stop your child banging their foot against the bed at 4am?
Letting water overflow into your neighbours flat!
Why would you do aerobic exercise in a flat knowing someone lives below you, you sound extremely selfish
Your neighbour has every right to record you and make a formal complaint to the landlord.

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:27

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FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:30

WiIIowT · 15/11/2023 01:18

You sure it's your toothbrush? 🤣

I KNEW someone would say this! Honestly it actually is. It again occurred to me as something else she may have been hearing!

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JFT · 15/11/2023 01:31

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:16

How come the OP gets the blame for sound carrying and not the slumlord who carried out the conversion as cheaply as possible with no soundproofing? If the building work was done to a decent standard, it would not be possible to hear an electric toothbrush from the floor below.

If houses were converted in a more sound proof way (or brought up to a good standard) then indeed millions of people would benefit. Ditto fire proofing and fire spread prevention and alarms. Most residential conversions are done in exactly the same way and this doesn't involve any form of sound barrier. Personally this is why I will never live in a house conversion for the rest of my life and luckily for me I now have the choice.

Unfortunately it is my vast experience that the people 'upstairs' have little to no idea of quite how the sound is resonating and thudding and crashing below, never mind water leaks, one of the most terrifying things that can happen is water gushing through your ceiling. Worse, many 'upstairs' people don't care! At least the OP has the decency to care.

Reality is when living in conversions or premises where sound travels easily and especially if you're the 'upstairs' then being mindful of noise really is just the only way to be. I once had a friend who installed hard wood flooring and then clomped around in heavy wooden 'house clogs' as she called them. She got the shock of her life when the angry downstairs neighbour's visiting adult children came around to confront her. It hadn't even crossed her mind about the noise she was making. She was also the sort of person who let doors slam shut, crashed crockery around, and put the washing machine on at 1am. Some people live in their own world.

Re audio recording, it's perfectly legal and the council would recommend to do so. By the time a person has bought themselves recording devices, they're probably in despair.

Sauvblanctime · 15/11/2023 01:31

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you seem nice 🤨

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:36

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:23

why move to a shit flat conversion

Because that's the housing that's available right now? Do you live under a rock? There's a housing crisis right now.

They have to be a teenager or something. I couldn't even begin to explain how petulantly tone death that was- but it was meant to be- anger issues clearly😂There's literally on average twenty people applying for one property on the private housing market right now. The way things are as of now, I'm lucky I even got this place!

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 15/11/2023 01:36

What kind of person hears a child screaming and thrashing at 4am and knocks on the door to complain about the noise instead of to check on the welfare of the child and offer help or call the police as appropriate?

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:37

Sauvblanctime · 15/11/2023 01:31

you seem nice 🤨

I know, I never imagined that Gollum had a mumsnet account!😆

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Sauvblanctime · 15/11/2023 01:39

FreetoBeeme · 15/11/2023 01:37

I know, I never imagined that Gollum had a mumsnet account!😆

Ha right!!

is there any way you can put down some sound proofing? Surely there’s some kinda council grant about for that?

I don’t think you’ve been unreasonable. Maybe the flooding could have been helped 🤣

some of the replies though, jeeez.