Dave is Back!!!

[LadyMacB]

Dave Cameron is back in the cabinet…. desperate throw of the dice or inspired move to limit the inevitable defeat?

The US election is 5 November 2024. So ours will be…. September 2024?

I can’t see them doing an Election straight after the summer break so it is likely October or December which to mean equals too close to the US election given the geopolitical situation. And so they need to start committing to a date sooner rather than later.

May. I might put a bet on it.

Ours can be whenever Rish! wants up until December 2024 when (in theory) it's out of his hands.

Generally governments that run it to the wire lose.

However the flurry of less-reported resignations on Monday suggest that some MPs want to be ready for a May election, since they are supposed to wait 6 months after resigning before they take on a new role.

It's quite possible that even a lot of Tory supporters are keen for an election NOW (as it's their first chance to ditch Rish!) and are quite likely to punish the party further if they are made to wait any longer. After all, if you are a Tory and you damn well know they have fuck all chance at the next election, then why would you vote for them at that point ? You'd either stay at home, or have a laugh and boost their trouncing. Bearing in mind the more harsh the defeat, the more power the membership has.

The odds are 5/1.

I hope somewhere someone is enjoying £1,000,000 after putting a £1 bet on 24th June 2016 "David Cameron will be back in government within a decade".,

So much of our country's trajectory is caused by Tory in-fighting.

The biggest millstone lately of course being Brexit.

I think there should be a general election now.

If you can't form a government out of 350 MPs then you can't form a government, and should call a general election.

None of this getting a ringer in and making him a Lord to make it legal.

We basically now have two identical parties lead by insipid leaders. Not much point voting.

2010-15 only worked because being in coalition meant headbanger wing had less influence than they do when the party are in government alone. That old pragmatic Toryism seems to have disappeared from their party DNA.

And it left our actual centrist party shafted.

I think people still don't appreciate what a moderating influence the LibDems were during that Parliament.

“We basically now have two identical parties lead by insipid leaders. Not much point voting.”

There is always a point in voting. We need grown up moderate leaders now, especially if there is a real risk of Trump getting back into power in the US. Because if Trump gets in we need to pull our weight internationally.

For that reason alone, the Tories should run a May election so that we have a proper government by the time the US election is run. In case Trump does win, as currently predicted.

I wonder whether David Cameron genuinely feels guilty and if he wants to make up somehow. His brother died recently at a relatively young age, he also lost his father and obviously a young child. Coupled with the many mistakes he has made I hope he is back to try to do better. The recent corporate scandal was also pretty embarrassing. Dave must realise now that he should not have quit, to avoid a hard Brexit.

So I think if Rishi tries to form a more moderate opposition that is a good thing. At least give us that much, is my thinking.

It's possible he feels guilty, but he was briefing a few months ago that he was bored so it might just be that.

Agreed.

No we don't.

And yes it is.

If that’s what you really think you’re not paying attention.

Good point regarding the US elections. Their election for the next president is November 2024. The new president, starts January 2025 as is their four year term tradition.

The UK GE must take place by December 2024. So it could be close to the US elections.

Hopefully May 2024 then.

Not really, we have one party that has proved under multiple leaderships they’re weak and corrupt. On multiple occasions.

Then we have a party that is under leadership that is yet untested.

I know which one I’d take a punt on.

That has a depressing ring of truth to it

But still worth voting, for the least worst

Only chance in hell he'll ever have of getting a peerage, so I guess he figured 6 months of work for that was a good deal.

It is allowed, I think thatcher did it as well with someone in her cabinet. But in my (inexpert) opinion, it should be allowed. He won't be answerable in the House of Commons

And Brown with Mandelson.

Yes, he was made a Lord so he could be in the cabinet as First Secretary of State (which isn't always a position that's filled, there currently isn't one).

Simultaneously also Business Secretary during the financial crisis.

He certainly wasn't the architect of Brexit. He actively told people to vote remain. He was forced into the referendum by other people in the party - their support for him was probably conditional on

The mistake was putting it in the Conservative election manifesto because he believed it was going to be another hung Parliament so he could then say "look swivel-eyed loons, I tried but the Lib Dems won't let me do it". That miscalculation was his downfall because - as you say - when he won a majority the loons would have replaced him as leader if he has refused to hold the referendum per the manifesto.

Yes @AllPowerfulLizardPerson For me it boils down to

Do we want 5 more years of the same spiral of decline, wasted money, and corruption of the last 13 years and for things to continue to get even ^worse?

Or do we want to give someone else a go?
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My bottom line is

Who can win in this constituency?
Which one of them isn't a Tory?
Vote for that one.

He scuttled off as a failure, which prevented him from getting global gigs like Blair and Major.
He will use his clean slate to do work with Ukraine and Israel to try to polish up his tarnished brand.