To think the Labour Party has lost its mind..

[Certainfailure]

Absolutely fuming with some of the clowns in the Labour Party.
25 points ahead of the Conservatives in the opinion polls.
Starmer slowly making the party electable and moving away from the reputation of the party being a left wing student activist group and terrorist supporters. The next GE theirs to lose.
And now word on the grapevine is that 40 odd MPs are ready to resign from the front bench because of they disagree with Starmer’s stance on a ceasefire. Quite a few labour councillors have already resigned from the party and now stand as independents. Big names like Rayner and Burnham have already stuck their oars in too.
Really cannot believe that a conflict thousands of miles away, albeit tragic, has now assumed more importance than the frightful state of the country. That these people are quite happy to throw away the progress that’s been made electorally for the sake of a frankly almost unsolvable conflict that’s lasted 70 plus years and is incredibly complex whilst the country is rapidly falling apart and in desperate need of change.
If Starmer resigns over this, no way will I ever vote Labour again and I say this as a life long labour voter for the last 35 years. Thought we’d seen the last of Corbyn and his vote losing influence but nope, there he is, with his little pet project, destined to scupper yet another GE for Labour. Anyone feel the same way ?

One side want the fighting to stop for a bit so humanitarian aid can get in, whereas the other side want the fighting to stop for a bit so humanitarian aid can get in, but with a slightly different name.

The party must split!

If 40 of his MPs feel that strongly and it's not that important in your opinion, maybe Starmer should change his policy?

You're not wrong. There are definitely some headbangers in the Labour Party, and starmer so far has done extremely well to keep them in line. I hope the party doesn't implode over this because we'll be so so fucked as a country if the tories get in again. My one grain of hope is that the right wing media will always make it sound far worse than it is and we won't really know what's going to happen until it happens.

@Postapocalypticcowgirl just because 40 MPs think a ceasefire is right doesn’t mean it’s the correct course of action. For a start what’s their plan if Israel put down their guns and Hamas doesn’t ?

@CalistoNoSolo agree. The headbangers have been well hid until now. I’m wondering whether this is the start of Starmer’s ousting and replacement by a Corbyn lite leader.

@Certainfailure I find it astounding on so many levels that the Israel-hamas conflict has stirred up so much strife, anguish and hatred in the UK, and yet people are happy to excuse the illegal Russian invasion of a sovereign nation, and the vile war crimes Russian soldiers are guilty of. Putin must be loving this.

And I hope you're wrong, but it's looking likely right now.

Maybe view it as 40 mps don’t want a child to die every 10 mins in Gaza? While it’s clearly unimportant for you, it clearly matters to them. I’d much prefer an mp who stood up for what was right than doing nothing.

100% this CalistoNoSolo why the uproar over Israel/Gaza when Putin's Russia has committed war crimes eg kidnapping hundreds of Ukrainian children early on in the war and everyone was silent. No uproar on MN then.

Never forget the Labour Party's unique ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Yep, this.

Relax, Starmer's going nowhere. The more socialist campaign group MPs that resign from front bench positions, the weaker they'll be within the party and the stronger Starmer will be in the eyes of the electorate as a whole.

One or two more MPs may make some grandstanding points, but I'd be surprised if many/any more frontbenchers resign. And there's no question of Starmer leaving.

Absolutely, and the UK is still importing goods from Russia.

Ukraine is a war. Gaza is a genocide. I'm glad we have some politicians brave enough to stand up for people even if they are thousands of miles away.

The difference being of course that none of the western (shadow) governments stood / stand with the aggressor in the war between Russia and Ukraine.

I have missed the 40 MPs part, is that likely?

I will be surprised if this up ends Starmer and no love lost here generally

You clearly have no understanding of what's happening in Ukraine.

Don’t worry yourself OP, Labour MPs are way too spineless to make a stand on the basis of any principle.
Although I would rather at least some of our elected representatives would go on record to say that slaughtering children and ethnic cleansing are not tolerable. But maybe I am a ‘headbanger’

YANBU. And I say that as a former Labour activist who left the party when it elected Corbyn as leader because this indicated that the party was no longer interested in even trying to win.

Starmer has dragged the party back into the mainstream, back to the median voter & made it electable again, and now the hard left are trying to sabotage everything yet again. The left don’t care about winning. Never have, never will.

Agree. Are they really prepared to throw the election away for the sake of the Opposition Leader saying 'We should have a ceasefire' when it will do nothing, considering the UN has called for ceasefire and they have refused. Its ridiculous posteuring. The actual government isn't supporting a ceasefire. I doubt 40 MP's will resign from the front bench.

Given that the Cabinet consists of 22 members I am surprised that the shadow cabinet aka the Front Bench has more than 40 members.

You have summed up in your OP why most people would rather hang from the gallows than vote labour.

I think there is going to be a very big shock for some of you next year.

I'm rather intrigued by this being defined as Corbyn 's pet project. He isn't even a Labour MP now.

I don't understand why any of them think Hamas or the Israeli government give a fuck what the Labour Party think. "Oh well if some obscure shadow politicians in the UK think we should have a ceasefire we MUST do it". It's entirely irrelevant posturing.

Most people?