To think the Labour Party has lost its mind..

[Certainfailure]

Absolutely fuming with some of the clowns in the Labour Party.
25 points ahead of the Conservatives in the opinion polls.
Starmer slowly making the party electable and moving away from the reputation of the party being a left wing student activist group and terrorist supporters. The next GE theirs to lose.
And now word on the grapevine is that 40 odd MPs are ready to resign from the front bench because of they disagree with Starmer’s stance on a ceasefire. Quite a few labour councillors have already resigned from the party and now stand as independents. Big names like Rayner and Burnham have already stuck their oars in too.
Really cannot believe that a conflict thousands of miles away, albeit tragic, has now assumed more importance than the frightful state of the country. That these people are quite happy to throw away the progress that’s been made electorally for the sake of a frankly almost unsolvable conflict that’s lasted 70 plus years and is incredibly complex whilst the country is rapidly falling apart and in desperate need of change.
If Starmer resigns over this, no way will I ever vote Labour again and I say this as a life long labour voter for the last 35 years. Thought we’d seen the last of Corbyn and his vote losing influence but nope, there he is, with his little pet project, destined to scupper yet another GE for Labour. Anyone feel the same way ?

The conservatives are an incompetent shitshow but I am still much more likely to vote for them than labour. I absolutely cannot fathom how we have such a useless opposition.

Surely there won't be 40 resignations? That'd be ridiculous.

It’s madness to publicly split over an issue that we in this country have almost zero influence over which is not black and white as they’re making out. It’s pathetic virtue signalling and makes them look like a student committee.

Yes I’ve always wondered about this.
Surely the Labour Party is not harking back to when we had an empire and could go around telling other countries what to do?

I think it will make Starmer more popular with floating voters. The reality is waving Palestinian flags at a UK Labour conference was a bit mad (in the Corbyn years). Looking like you care more about abroad than home is hardly likely to be a massive vote winner. If he started sounding like an activist for Palestine he would have more of a problem I think.

I read a pretty good article the other day about how one of Labours problems is that it sees foreign policy as a set of moral decisions and international politics doesn’t really work that way (he was talking about the full spectrum from the non-interventionists to the intervene to help side).

The reality is neither Hamas or Israel pay attention to anything we say so bogging yourself down in this is a pointless signalling game. People will start to notice if all the Labour party is talking about is Palestine but they forgot to mention Peterborough.

Having said that, as an MP there are going to be times when you feel that so fundamentally opposed to a policy that you can’t in good conscience continue. Thats fine but yeah it hurts your party.

Not this utter shit again.

Having said that, as an MP there are going to be times when you feel that so fundamentally opposed to a policy that you can’t in good conscience continue. Thats fine but yeah it hurts your party.

I find it interesting that the Home Secretary can talk on and on about things that go against government policy and still remain in post. I suppose she and her boss don't have the same morals as the Labour shadow Minister who resigned.

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I think it will make Starmer more popular with floating voters. The reality is waving Palestinian flags at a UK Labour conference was a bit mad (in the Corbyn years). Looking like you care more about abroad than home is hardly likely to be a massive vote winner.

Keir Starmer back in 2015 -

https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/21371377.general-election-candidates-urged-support-sanctions-israel/

Sorry, who is excusing Russia? There has been international outcry, and many a thread on Mumsnet

Oh Clav has arrived to start the attack on Starmer.

It was my MP who resigned yesterday. Given the content of his resignation it won't stop me voting for him.

Exactly. Whilst all eyes are on Palestine and Israel, horrendous atrocities are taking place in Ukraine. But everyone seems to have forgotten about the Ukraines and their plight

Maybe people are resigning from posts because to stay in the posts is to sign up to the official party position statement and they might instead want to be able to say that a child being killed every 10 minutes and over 10,000 deaths is not something they can condone.

Anyone who can condone that doesn't deserve my vote.

You see, this is why this Labour government will be a complete shit show once it's in power. So many mps would rather remain politically pure than deal with pragmatic limitations, complexity and compromise.

Arrant nonsense.

their issue is Israel and always will be, not the current war.... a lot of it is hidden under the disguise of caring

To be honest I’ve been thinking of ANYONE is actually going to vote for conservative OR labour. In my circle everyone is sick of the both of them and happily voting anyone else but them two.

Maybe lots take this stance and the GE will have a very random outcome.

as an Eastern European, we don't exist for the left because we're not a minority. the right hates us because we're not westerners. you cannot win.

Politicians eh…

I'll vote for Labour out of sheer desperation. I'd have voted for Corbyn and he was a Russia apologist

The party is still unelectable, the only reason people will vote for them outside of hard-core Labour voters is to get the Tories out. It's just jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Both parties are a shitshow but some appear to think it's going to be a repeat of 97 and New Labour. It's not.

thank you !

You are entitled to your opinion. As are those Members of Parliament and Councillors. As the potential future Prime Minister it is totally acceptable that he is questioned about potential foreign policy and his stance on international affairs. As a life long labour supporter (although 50% Greens at local council elections) I would not vote for Starmer based on his current stance and I know of plenty of people who feel the same.

This has made me reconsider my view of KS. Did not like him before now. But he’s taken the right stance on this and if he holds his line on it, which will also show he actually has a principle, I may actually consider voting for the Labour Party again after a long hiatus. And I never thought I would say that about KS.

Sadly this is true. As long as Corbyn is standing up for his 'friends' Hamas and stirring up others to support Palestine, Labour looks set to implode.

There is some evidence it will be a bit different to 1997, since Labour may well have more seats and the Tories fewer.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html