To think the Labour Party has lost its mind..

[Certainfailure]

Absolutely fuming with some of the clowns in the Labour Party.
25 points ahead of the Conservatives in the opinion polls.
Starmer slowly making the party electable and moving away from the reputation of the party being a left wing student activist group and terrorist supporters. The next GE theirs to lose.
And now word on the grapevine is that 40 odd MPs are ready to resign from the front bench because of they disagree with Starmer’s stance on a ceasefire. Quite a few labour councillors have already resigned from the party and now stand as independents. Big names like Rayner and Burnham have already stuck their oars in too.
Really cannot believe that a conflict thousands of miles away, albeit tragic, has now assumed more importance than the frightful state of the country. That these people are quite happy to throw away the progress that’s been made electorally for the sake of a frankly almost unsolvable conflict that’s lasted 70 plus years and is incredibly complex whilst the country is rapidly falling apart and in desperate need of change.
If Starmer resigns over this, no way will I ever vote Labour again and I say this as a life long labour voter for the last 35 years. Thought we’d seen the last of Corbyn and his vote losing influence but nope, there he is, with his little pet project, destined to scupper yet another GE for Labour. Anyone feel the same way ?

No I'd noted the post above mine referencing Rosie Duffield. I should have quoted it really.

So OOI, who will you vote for?

Broadly agreed. What's fucked me off for 40 years about Labour and the wider left is the idealistic bullshit that "internationalism" demands. The ideal is we support all people. The result is the left ends up tearing itself apart because of a war thousands of miles away. Which is a waste of fucking time if we're talking about uk politics.

@jgw1 if you are referring to me as the "one" I won't be voting Tory but I also will not vote Labour.

The rights of women are not negotiable. This is not an issue you can flippantly brush aside. Labour are captured by a dangerous ideology.

Why are you blaming Corbyn for this? The man was dragged through the media as being an old fool and not fit to run a country. Yet you think he has so much power that he can influence so many MPs 4 years after standing down?
Surely if MPs have strong opinions they should stand by their beliefs. Or should they just tow the party line? I hate that and I hate the politics of the whip. I wish they could sort themselves out to get the tories out. But quite frankly why isn't Stamer getting your blame, for speaking out about a conflict that doesn't involve this country? He's the party leader, after all.

ilovesooty
If he did I've no idea and I don't care. You're back with the whataboutery.

Hardly whataboutery - this thread is about Keir Starmer and the Labour Party.

I've been saying for the past 2 years that the next GE is starmers to lose

I've often thought it could be 1992 all over again

Fucks sake

Who has excused this? Everyone is appalled by what Russia has done, condemned it and given practical support to Ukraine.

A ‘Councillor’ from Oxford has access to, and the ear of, 40 MPs?
Lol.
Nice try though.

And whatever one's views on that it isn't the subject of the thread.

Or Gaza.

If anyone voting Labour thinks that we're going to see the optimism of the late 90s again, then no. That optimism ended when Blair dragged us into the illegal Iraq war. The successive governments (Labour, Tory-Lib and outright Tory) have done us no favours either.

As for voting, check who would win in your constituency if you want the Tories out. And vote for them. Otherwise damn you to hell. Because that's what a Tory vote will do to all others. And you. Remember that.

There isn’t a leader among them.

But tbh I think the tories will win the next election. Not because they’re the better party, but because there are so many people who won’t vote labour, and who probably won’t vote at all.

The tories will lose votes, but unless those votes go to labour then the tories stand a high chance of getting back into power.

The predictions aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. They’re almost never accurate. In the 2019 election the prediction was for a labour victory or a coalition at best, and the tories won by a landslide.

I won’t be voting for either of them, and as much as I despise the tories, voting labour to get them out isn’t the answer. Anyone who thinks that anything will change under labour is naive.

My prediction is that there will be a low voter turnout. The people who want the tories to get back in will come out to vote, but those who don’t want either party won’t bother to vote at all, and so the tories will get back in because labour won’t have won the lost Tory votes.

Sadiq Khan for one.

Try being Jewish and going into central London on a Saturday at the moment, or riding in a tube when the driver makes an announcement about Palestine, or having a Jewish child who is told to take off things that ID them as Jewish.

Khan as London mayor should be taking strong action to stamp this out, but he is doing nothing.

It is so frustrating. I'm Jewish and I think he should support a ceasefire, just grey-rock every 'You're antisemitic' brickbat thrown by the rightwing press saying this stance is not antisemitic and that there is almost global consensus that Israel's stance is harmful to itself. But it's probably too late for that now, as again, the RW press would just go 'Starmer forced to U-turn by antisemitic [they're not] Labour MPs'

I honestly don't think they'd lose many votes, as Jewish people who back Israel are probably less likely to be Labour voters. Labour are too scared of the Daily Mail and its ilk.

I don't regard people looking for a ceasefire as headbangers. This will cost labour my vote. I think he is so confident he's not worried about individual votes. I will make sure to vote tactically and tell the rest of my family how to as well.

There haven’t been 100,000 people marching on the street in the uk though have there.

Certainfailure where is the evidence/source that 40 MPs may resign and where have you got the idea Starmer could resign ? I think you are over reacting.

@Vintagevixen - seriously? Khan does not support Hamas. He has been extremely supportive of the Jewish community as far as this Jew is concerned and has put a lot of time and effort into anti extremism measures. https://www.london.gov.uk/media-centre/mayors-press-release/Statement-from-Mayor-of-London-re-impact-of-Israel-Gaza-conflict-in-London

@Violetparis As Said above, an Oxford councillor who has since resigned said she had spoken to many MPs and at least 40 were ready to resign from the front bench or completely. On 5 live Nicky Campbell this am .

Lol, 40 MPs calling for a ceasefire when Hamas doesn’t want that any more than they want a two state solution. The last time that was seriously entertained Hamas kept sending suicide bombers in.

A Hamas spokesman, Ghazi Hamad, went on TV and stated the intention to repeat the October 7 attacks until Israel is annihilated. That’s the end goal for them. They don’t give a fuck about their own civilians, they’re happy to let them die rather than release the hostages and put their weapons down.

You can’t have a ceasefire that only one side agrees to.

Sadiq Khan has never announced support for Hamas. That’s an outright lie. And if actual crimes are being committed (although neither of the examples you gave are actual crimes), it’s the Met Commissioners job to deal with it. Mayors aren’t caped crusading Batmen.

Are you really such a self-indoctrinated imbecile, with no knowledge of male violence, that you actually think that lecture men don’t rape or assault women?! If so, I have news for you..

You are very naive to think what Israel are doing now just because of Hamas.
Israel haven’t murdered over 10 thousand civilians, 40% being children just for Hamas. This is genocide and a continuation of the brutal oppressive regime that Palestinians had endured for decades. Their aim is to wipe out all Palestinians and take all the land.