To tell you the Scottish Govt are targeting 18 year old girls for egg harvesting

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Yes, really.

Surrogacy Concern broke the news on Friday night. I can’t actually believe it.

Over a month to come, the Scottish Govt are asking for egg and sperm donors as young as 18 to come forward in a series of targeted ads on social media and the radio. They’ve expanded IVF provision and - in their own words - have a supply and demand issue.

I’d heard of fertility clinics advertising (bad enough in my view) but for a national Govt to do this to women is staggering. Women can die from complications arising from OHSS, which can be caused by egg donation. A British woman died in 2006 as a result.

The ads don’t mention these risks; it’s all “be kind” “do something amazing”. I cannot actually believe a Govt could be this stupid. They’ve only just apologised for forced adoption!

AIBU?

Do you seriously think these men are oh-so-innocent in their desire to parade in women's changing rooms and toilets? They are just as male socialised as the men you think they need protection from.

It's strange therefore that so called trans "women" often act in such aggressive masculine ways towards women, despite having dainty ladybrains.

Already been done and the response was to mock the sources, aka "lalalala I can't hear you".

Ok this is a load of rubbish as I proved above. You know perfectly well from the statistics that the risks to women from trans women is FIVE TIMES HIGHER that 'cis men'. Transwomen are men. Men have no risk in the mens. There is not one single account of a man (transwoman) being assaulted by other men in mens spaces. Men on men is no risk. Men on women, HUGE risk. Transwomen in particular pose an enormous risk to women. Even gay men and other transwomen have said transwomen face no problems in the mens, the worst they get is a smirk.

But women have been RAPED AND ASSAULTED by transwomen in womens spaces.

You know perfectly well that there is zero risk to transwomen. The risk however, to women by transwomen is enormous. Statistics and data you were given prove this. Well and truly beyond any doubt.

Regardless, why is it ok for transwomen to 'not feel safe or comfortable', but it's not ok for women to feel the same in their spaces? Women are NOT HUMAN SHIELDS for men in a dress. If a man feels uncomfortable with other men, that is a problem for men to solve. It is not womens problem.

Can't say I am surprised since we've had the outright admission of misogyny.

So you admit you are a Male Supremacist. Women should suffer feeling uncomfortable and unsafe. But men shouldn't?

I don't think saying that a small group of women, who claim to speak for all, get to exclude others from certain environments on the basis of nothing but their 'comfort ' is misogynistic.

If a racist is uncomfortable living next to an immigrant, and mistakenly believes they are more likely to be a rapist (as many racists do believe) does that mean they should be able to exclude them from their community or country? Based just on their feelings.

The number of men who rape strangers is tiny. The number of trans women that do so is miniscule. Women are most at risk in their own homes. This is a distraction.

I wanted to talk about donor eggs

Again, note that these arguments are really the best ones that trans activists and their supporters can come up with. There is nothing more compelling than "everyone should in theory be treated equally, but men should get whatever they want if they say some magic words".

Actually your analogy is off there. Being a woman is important to some people in the way being black is important to some people, i.e. it is the locus of their oppression. Trying to posit women as the privileged gatekeepers, as opposed to the perennially oppressed category of human being in almost every human culture, is a very odd thing to do.

I've already proven that transwomen are FAR GREATER A RISK to women, than 'cis' men. It's clear you never bothered to even look at the links.

Evidence shows and proves, without any doubt, that men behave WORSE in mixed SEX environments. Which is the prevailing argument against mixed facilities. We know that whenever men are with women, particularly transwomen, assaults on women skyrocket.

Men who don't want to be with men get to change with women.

Women who don't want to change with men just have to get over it.

It is depressing that society has bent over backwards on the basis of these garbled, inevidenced, contradictory and nonsensical viewpoints.

You may well have a point.

I don't think saying that a small group of women, who claim to speak for all

Trans activists are a small group of trans people, yet they claim to speak for all of them? I'm a feminist, I am going to advocate on behalf of women's rights in general, while recognising that there were and will always be a small number of women who would rather pander to what males want, like the Anti Suffragists at the turn of the last century.

Oh. My. Goodness. You aren't seriously saying it is the job of women to act as a "civilising" influence on men? And you claim others are being primitive???

I'm not a troll. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I came to talk about donor eggs, used the term trans men, and have now spent hours arguing with TERFs. This is a thread about donor eggs.

Trolls are deliberately bating. I'm simply disagreeing with you.

Really? Why would that be?

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It is depressing that society has bent over backwards on the basis of these garbled, inevidenced, contradictory and nonsensical viewpoints.

It really is, but it's good that people potentially lurking on the thread can see it ☀️ that's why some TRAs call Mumsnet a "radicalisation portal". Because women get to see the misogyny writ large. It's a one way trip.

And that's why I often get into it with blinkered genderists here. For the lurkers.

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That's a good reason.

Me, I'm just fucking pedantic.

The word 'TERFs' is incredibly offensive, is a slur and is actually banned on this site. You've been asked repeatedly not to use it. If you don't stop your posts could be reported and deleted.

Lol ninja'd by Sueveneers! Have a different meme