To tell you the Scottish Govt are targeting 18 year old girls for egg harvesting

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Yes, really.

Surrogacy Concern broke the news on Friday night. I can’t actually believe it.

Over a month to come, the Scottish Govt are asking for egg and sperm donors as young as 18 to come forward in a series of targeted ads on social media and the radio. They’ve expanded IVF provision and - in their own words - have a supply and demand issue.

I’d heard of fertility clinics advertising (bad enough in my view) but for a national Govt to do this to women is staggering. Women can die from complications arising from OHSS, which can be caused by egg donation. A British woman died in 2006 as a result.

The ads don’t mention these risks; it’s all “be kind” “do something amazing”. I cannot actually believe a Govt could be this stupid. They’ve only just apologised for forced adoption!

AIBU?

Three boomer lesbians? What the fuck are you on?

We know you don't care you've made that blatantly obvious, we know you have zero morals, ethics and empathy, we know you are more than happy to exclude, we know you are intolerant.

We don't throw around accusations without substance, you refuse to see or hear the evidence in fact you are the one who throws around accusations and purported facts with no substance or evidence all you have is your prejudiced and blinkered thinking and attitude.

The evidence of your misogyny is literally every post you've made on this thread.

Three boomer lesbians, and the whole of LGB Alliance's supporters, Kathleen Stock who isn't a boomer, Alison Bailey who isn't a boomer, I'm bi and I'm not a boomer...

Also, calling people "boomers" as a perjorative is ageist.

I'd never do this in the USA. Their regulation of everything is incredibly lax.

Your posts on this thread provide ample evidence of you being racist, homophobic and misogynist, we'd be hard pressed to find a clearer example than the one you have willingly provided.

Three boomer lesbians

From a smug, married to a man, heterosexual or bisexual middle aged woman

One the one hand, I'm really not pleased about autistic people like me being described as the product of an "adverse event". Our existence isn't a bad thing.

On the other hand, I note that sperm from the USA ended up in Europe as well, indicating that regulatory systems in multiple countries are not keeping overseas sperm out, with all the traceability problems that that causes. You cannot trust the regulations to keep you safe, no matter where you go. As I said repeatedly, the clinics exist to make profit and regulations are an obstruction to be minimised and circumvented.

Women have the right to exclude someone from fathering their children, including the right to exclude autistic men. This right trumps my dislike of disablist attitudes towards autistic people, because women's autonomy over if and when to gestate a child must include autonomy over excluding any man for any reason from fathering their children.

https://archive.is/F4yq6 is that WaPo article to get past the authwall.

Didn't feel smug until I came into this thread.

40s isn't middle aged these days.

And if it is so what?

If you bothered to read Forstater vs CGD, you'd know that gender critical views, far from being hateful, are legally considered worthy of respect in a democratic society.

Allowing single-sex spaces, whether they be Men's Sheds to improve men's mental health, or female-only rape counseling, is core to decency, kindness, respect, and equality. You can disbelieve that until you are blue in the face, but the majority of people agree with me, as evidenced by the public outcry in Scotland when rapist "Isla" Bryson was placed in a women's prison.

Interesting there are no replies to the insinuation women can be just as bullying as men towards both sexes depending on circumstances. I've been there read the book & quite frankly I have little or no respect for extreme feminists or extreme misogynists given the behaviour I've witnessed from both sexes.

1. The conduct of individuals is beyond the scope of my class analysis. I'm dealing with the power that men as a class have over women as a class.
2. When I went to an all-girl secondary school, I didn't go there to escape all bullying. I went there to escape physical battery and sexual assault.
3. A female colleague who bullies me can't rape me in the stationary cupboard. That matters.
4. Individuals who bully can and should be dealt with by your employer's Dignity At Work and Misconduct policies, regardless of sex.

the clinics exist to make profit and regulations are an obstruction to be minimised and circumvented.

It always comes down to the bottom line.

Worrying about the potential health of your future child is lurid.

I think it should be required of any donor to get to know the intended parents in case she wants to rethink who she's giving her child to. Why shouldn't an egg or sperm donor have a choice in who the intended parents are if the intended parents get to choose the egg donors? Not sure why this is a one-way street.

Oh, and I'm straight and Gen X, not that it matters.

I didn't suggest all gender critical people were boomer lesbians. Just that you claim to be gay allies based purely on the support of Julie Bindel and two of her mates.

I never claimed any of that, but maybe the lesbian boomer bashing wasn't directed at me?

Back to donor conception. Do you think the donor has a right to get to know the commissioning parents?

40s isn't middle aged these days.

Both you and I are boring middle aged women who everyone sees as irrelevant, sorry to say. I'm more in touch with reality, I guess. As is evidenced by all your posts on this thread.

I don't think they have the slightest interest in meeting the recipients. If that was important to them they wouldn't donate. And I won't get to choose the donor, nor would I be interested in doing so.

Extreme feminism or extreme misogyny has no place in a civilised society. Men in the true sense of gender are by nature totally different from women. The problem today is there are groups who try to immerse both sexes into one. A mixture which with the best will in the world is simply not possible. Let men be men & women be women and perhaps all this fighting would stop. This is not to say I dont agree with equality in the work place,of course this is important but we dont need to step into each others shoes to achieve this.

If you bothered to read Forstater vs CGD, you'd know that gender critical views, far from being hateful, are legally considered worthy of respect in a democratic society.

Laws are only important or meaningful to this poster when they permit her to do something she wants.

Eggsploitation - YouTube m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAMrwAGR3GA&shem=iosie

I'm relevant and interesting to the people in my life who matter to me. Beyond that why would I care?