To tell you the Scottish Govt are targeting 18 year old girls for egg harvesting

[VestaTilley]

Yes, really.

Surrogacy Concern broke the news on Friday night. I can’t actually believe it.

Over a month to come, the Scottish Govt are asking for egg and sperm donors as young as 18 to come forward in a series of targeted ads on social media and the radio. They’ve expanded IVF provision and - in their own words - have a supply and demand issue.

I’d heard of fertility clinics advertising (bad enough in my view) but for a national Govt to do this to women is staggering. Women can die from complications arising from OHSS, which can be caused by egg donation. A British woman died in 2006 as a result.

The ads don’t mention these risks; it’s all “be kind” “do something amazing”. I cannot actually believe a Govt could be this stupid. They’ve only just apologised for forced adoption!

AIBU?

I've just logged in tonight so this is one of the first posts I've read. I can safely add having been employed within businesses where bullying is the norm I'd be even more afraid of female bullying within the workplace. When supported by males within their own particular support group they can be lethel.

Yes, trans people have more rights than everyone else. They can use single sex services for their sex, mixed sex services and services for the opposite sex. People who don't claim to be trans are not allowed to do that.

Tell me again why this group of people should have more rights than the rest of us. Especially women who can now only access mixed sex services and have no other options? Oh and also why transwomen seem to be the set of transpeople with more rights, whilst transmen don't want to use the services for the opposite sex (wonder why) or get booted out by men (whilst women are called bigots if they try and do that).

The double standard is astounding. Especially coming from someone who still wants to exploit women for something they want.

Or lethal 🤦‍♀️

I think you're very naive about parenting and child development. You have blinders on because you want what you want and refuse to consider the ethics surrounding your choices.

What's workplace bullying got to do with a class analysis of the root causes of male oppression of women on a national or even global scale?

Did you mean to reply to a different thread?

I don't agree with 'no cock, no entry.' That doesn't make me a homophobe, you'll say it does and I won't care.

Naive how?

I've thought about this extensively. I'm hardly likely to change my mind because a few people whose views I abhor make some obscure objections. Would anyone really expect me to?

This is a very 90s attempt at satire. Think Jamiroquoi wrote some lyrics like this? Then everyone calmed down.

Because every example of describing egg donation, you have a very immature take, a 'I want it therefore I will take it' attitude. "It's legal where I am so I'm going to do it because I can." Nothing about the child or the child's future thoughts on their origins. You seem so utterly convinced of the rightness of your opinions you don't seem focused on your future child's needs, which is the essence of parenting. You're willing to take any donation from anyone, even a transman, which shows you don't seemed to concerned about the health of an embryo impacted by cross-sex hormones (do you have zero worries about possible risks of testosterone on ova?). What if your egg 'donor' was coerced or broke? Do you worry that she made this decision based on a lack of information? Do you care if she's harmed from the procedure? Not once do you worry about it, you're utterly convinced no harm will come from this because you are right. I don't know if your attitude is armor against the pain of infertility or just a severe lack of self-reflection. I'm not sure. A child isn't an accomplishment nor a commodity.

It goes without saying this thread is filled with diversification. I was simply replying to an off topic post. It happens🤷‍♀️

I'm literally planning to travel to another country for treatment so that my child can find out the identity of the donor in the future if they wish.

I'm not a doctor but I don't think a trans man who'd had hormone therapy would be able to donate? Not all trans men have had hormone therapy. But anyone who's ova had been affected by testosterone would be screened out. How odd to think otherwise. Do you understand how rigorous the screening process for donors is? Or how ignorant you sound?

The decisions about who can donate are made by experts. Specialist doctors and psychologists. Your lurid imaginings are frankly hilarious.

This is a very 90s attempt at satire.

What would you describe your inane witterings about babies being produced in bags in the future?

Incidentally I'm literally the only person who thinks that my child being able to find out the identity of the donor matters. Everyone else I know, family, friends, work colleagues, my husband's colleagues, everyone, even my husband til I won him over, said that the identity of the donor doesn't matter and it's not worth inconveniencing myself.

But I think it's not my place to decide for my child how they should feel about their conception, and that they should have the choice, and that should they choose to contact the donor one day, and should the donor respond, that I would like the opportunity to meet and thank them. So I will travel for the treatment.

So yes, I've thought about the impact on my child.

I don't agree with 'no cock, no entry.' That doesn't make me a homophobe, you'll say it does and I won't care.

Fortunately for the gay men in that sauna they don't need your agreement and yes it does make you homophobic which goes along with your racism and misogyny extremely well, what's it like having the full set?

Someone else suggested it and I flippantly said why not. I've no objections in theory though to babies being created and grown outside the human body. People used to think IVF was freaky.

oh I will do this!
I had IVF and it’s was so hard (physically as well as the infertility worry constantly).
i had horrendous side effects from the medication, loads of internal scans and then it was general anaesthetic to retrieve the eggs after which my blood pressure was really high and they had to stop me dozing off - I’ve never ever had high blood pressure before.
it was all worth it to have my own baby but I couldn’t go through all of that to give someone my eggs.

Well if you thought well of me I'd have to scrub myself down with a brillo pad and rethink my entire worldview.

The decisions about who can donate are made by experts. Specialist doctors and psychologists. Your lurid imaginings are frankly hilarious.

Google "donor H898"

extract concerning Donor H898

Rizzo’s children, ages 7 and 6, were at the center of one of the most ethically complex legal cases in the modern-day fertility industry. Three years ago, while researching treatment options for her sons, Rizzo says she made an extraordinary discovery: The boys are part of an autism cluster involving at least a dozen children scattered across the United States, Canada and Europe, all conceived with sperm from the same donor.
Many of the children have secondary diagnoses of ADHD, dyslexia, mood disorders, epilepsy and other developmental and learning disabilities.

(Continues)

When she first found out about their many half-siblings, she consulted a genetic counselor, who she says told her the odds of so many blood-related children with autism occurring spontaneously was akin to all the mothers “opening up a dictionary and pointing to the same letter of the same word on the same page at the same time.”

“It was the donor,” Rizzo remembered thinking. “It had to be.”

A quick online search for the donor’s profile showed that sperm from a man matching his description was still being sold by at least four companies. She called them all, asking for information about his medical history — and to inform them of the autism cluster — but she says the representatives she reached told her she didn’t have any “evidence” that his sperm was responsible for the autism cases.

She turned to health-care regulators in New York and California, where the sperm banks were based. The response, Rizzo said, was that cases like hers are not part of their responsibility. (A spokeswoman for New York State said her department had no record of Rizzo’s complaint but urged her “to reach out.” A California spokesperson said the state would consider investigating her case as an “adverse event” related to a sperm bank.)

The Food and Drug Administration told her its oversight of the sperm-donor industry is limited to screening for sexually transmitted diseases.

Continues: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-children-of-donor-h898/2019/09/14/dcc191d8-86da-11e9-a491-25df61c78dc4_story.html

Good to know you are happy to be racist, homophobic and misogynist it's not often someone is not only willing to admit it but proud of the fact.

You missed out ageism, Gail.

So I did, I am sure if we wait long enough we'll be able to add disablism in there too and that really will be the Full House.

I'm obviously not a racist, a misogynist or a homophobe and you have no evidence with which to brand me any of those things. It's just your standard modus operandi when anyone disagrees with you. It's transparent and pathetic.

Not my fault boomers have ruined the world.

Yeah, it does make you a homophobe. You might not care, but it does. Their sexual orientation is called homosexuality, not homogenderality, gay men are defined as much by their revulsion towards female bodies as by their attraction towards male ones, otherwise they'd be bisexual not gay.