To tell you the Scottish Govt are targeting 18 year old girls for egg harvesting

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Yes, really.

Surrogacy Concern broke the news on Friday night. I can’t actually believe it.

Over a month to come, the Scottish Govt are asking for egg and sperm donors as young as 18 to come forward in a series of targeted ads on social media and the radio. They’ve expanded IVF provision and - in their own words - have a supply and demand issue.

I’d heard of fertility clinics advertising (bad enough in my view) but for a national Govt to do this to women is staggering. Women can die from complications arising from OHSS, which can be caused by egg donation. A British woman died in 2006 as a result.

The ads don’t mention these risks; it’s all “be kind” “do something amazing”. I cannot actually believe a Govt could be this stupid. They’ve only just apologised for forced adoption!

AIBU?

Trans Racialism isn't a 'thing'. That's very convenient. Rachel no doubt believes it's a thing. Transgender does not exist as a scientific reality. And she gained advantage just like males gain advantage by being in womens spaces.

You're repeating my own points to me. You have been radicalised yourself to believe that a fantasy in a mans head over-rides the scientific hardcore physical reality. There is no equality if women don't have our sex-based rights. Gender 'identity' isn't a thing. You as I said, have been brainwashed to believe in a male's fantasy over reality. You cannot believe in Trans Gender if you don't believe in Trans Race, and even Trans Disability. You're a hypocrite if you excuse one, but not the other. That is where the cult's beliefs collapse. There is no such thing as 'gender' based rights. Gender is a fantasy in someone's head. Only sex is real and womens oppression is based on sex, and our rights are based on... sex. Not some fantasy in our heads.

I did all that and much more. And then we partied afterwards. As well you know, and likely did too.

The testosterone treatment would be why such a person would not donate.

Please, read up on what transition means in practical terms for transitioners.

Neither is a fantasy in a male's head a 'scientific reality'.

Actually no, because I'm autistic.

I don't see why a trans man with ovaries would not donate eggs,

Because most of them would have to put themselves through a process of undoing their "transition" by taking large doses of female sex hormones. That's probably a consideration for them.

Ask the "trans women" you know, as suggested.

Not all trans men have hormone treatment. It's a highly individual decision. Not everyone chooses to physically transition.

The trans women I know don't have ovaries. Only trans men can have ovaries.

Not all trans men have hormone treatment.

Do you think they would wish to take large doses of female sex hormones?

Transwomen don't have ovaries. You don't say. Damn that pesky thing called scientific sex-based reality.

The trans women I know don't have ovaries.

Oh wow, why is that? Most female people have ovaries, the only reason they don't is for medical reasons. Have they had them removed or do they have a disorder of sex development? Or is it that you do actually understand what biological sex is, despite the feigned ignorance?

Fair enough, but you must be aware that effective activists can attend parties, and that such parties are common after protests and other political gatherings, even if some choose not to attend.

You know perfectly well that most trans women start out as biologically female, but may have some or no medical treatment as part of their transition. (Things may be more complicated if people are intersex.) Trans men start out with ovaries, and may or may not undergo hormone treatment. Literally no one is denying the existence of biological sex, only whether it matters in terms of identity. Which I don't believe it does.

Non-activists can attend parties too. Ypu mentioned your past activism like it somehow gave you authority when it comes to describing a party, which it doesn't.

You know perfectly well that most trans women start out as biologically female

Oh dear goddess, we have a problem here.

Separate but equal, right?

We should be fighting for safety and equality for all, in all spaces. Not for gender segregation. That's deeply regressive.

You know perfectly well that most trans women start out as biologically female

Ay? Transwomen are biologically MALE. They have a prostate, penis and testicles. They have never been 'biologically' female.

Do you know the difference between the male body, and the female body?

I would hope that's a typo and you meant to say You know perfectly well that most trans women start out as biologically male.

You know perfectly well that most trans women start out as biologically female, but may have some or no medical treatment as part of their transition

No, , if you mean MTF trans males by "trans women" they are conceived as male, and unless they have a disorder of sex development associated with males they develop as typical males.

Unless you are using "trans women" in the correct way to mean a woman who thinks of herself as a man of course. That's what happens when people don't agree on language that activists have tried to impose on them. No one has a clue what people are on about.

It's not "equal" to demand that girls have their academic performance impaired for the sake of an ideology.

I'm fighting for sex segregation where it benefits women and girls. I don't give a rat's ass about "gender".

It's SEX segregation. Not gender segregation. And the reason we have sex segregation, is because male and female bodies are not equal and males are a risk to females.

Only in the heads of TERFs does anyone deny that biological sex exists. Its just that most of us don't think it's important. I don't reduce a person's to what's in their pants.

There is nothing shameful about periods. You are totally missing the point. The fact is the vast majority of women would feel uncomfortable in this situation & it has absolutely nothing to do with what century we live in. I can hear people with your opinion saying what about male obstetricians etc. Again a completely different situation to young guys witnessing a woman in distress when dealing with such a personal matter of hygiene that only another woman can fully understand. The vast majority of men wouldn't be comfortable either & would far rather another woman was around. Unisex toilets are awful.

And again we get absurd ideological assertions and nasty misogynistic slurs. Welcome to the trans "rights" movement.

(Things may be more complicated if people are intersex.)

Yet again the one talking about respect singularly fails to respect the request of people with DSD's to NOT be used as pawns for GI.

DSD's are sex specific and have fuck all to do with gender.

Male and female bodies are not equal? Wow. Just wow.

I have no wish to be defined by my biological sex, thank you very much, and do so and claim to be feminist is totally Orwellian.