To tell you the Scottish Govt are targeting 18 year old girls for egg harvesting

[VestaTilley]

Yes, really.

Surrogacy Concern broke the news on Friday night. I can’t actually believe it.

Over a month to come, the Scottish Govt are asking for egg and sperm donors as young as 18 to come forward in a series of targeted ads on social media and the radio. They’ve expanded IVF provision and - in their own words - have a supply and demand issue.

I’d heard of fertility clinics advertising (bad enough in my view) but for a national Govt to do this to women is staggering. Women can die from complications arising from OHSS, which can be caused by egg donation. A British woman died in 2006 as a result.

The ads don’t mention these risks; it’s all “be kind” “do something amazing”. I cannot actually believe a Govt could be this stupid. They’ve only just apologised for forced adoption!

AIBU?

No you most certainly are not! A feminists protects womens hard fought for sex-based rights, not advocates for their destruction, as you do. Feminism doesn't centre men. You're a meninist, not a feminist.

Yes, but most feminists don't see trans rights as being in opposition to women's rights, quite the opposite. We fight against being defined by our biology. To define women thus is deeply reactionary.

The original campaigner for women to have single-sex jails, with all-female wardens.

It was well-known prior to her that an unpregnant woman sent to jail was likely to come out pregnant.

I most certainly do not centre men.

That's where you are wrong! Poll after poll shows when asked, while women respect trans rights, they want single sex spaces to remain. Trans 'rights' are in opposite to womens rights when they have males in our spaces. Women ARE defined by our biology and sex, because our oppression is based on our sex class, and our rights are based on our sex. Not an 'identity' in our head. But hard physical reality.

If you care more about the rights of men to invade our spaces, you most certainly do centre men. You just don't realise it, because you've been programmed to think like that.

We fight against being defined by our biology.

"Defined by" doesn't mean what you think it means. I am an adult human female, that defines me as a woman. It doesn't limit me to doing only "feminine" stuff.

I don't wish to speak for Elizabeth Fry but I suspect if she was alive today she'd be perplexed by certain so-called feminists obsessing about a small number of trans women, rather than the appalling conditions in our prisons, and the fact that so many women are in prison who should not be locked up at all.

If course trans rights are in opposite to women’s rights.

If I go for a walk in the local park and am flashed at this is seen as an offence if sexual violence and if the police find the perpetrator they will be charged with a crime. If I am in a changing room and a trans identifying man comes in, tackle-a-flying I don’t have the right to report that to the police. In fact I don’t have the right to even complain to him as this is seen as ‘transphobia’.

both situations I am being exposed to a penis that I don’t want to see. In one case it’s a crime, in one case it’s not. All cause men want to pretend they are women, and want us to pretend they are women too. Mysogony on the highest order. I cannot believe you cannot see it!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

'when it comes to the matter of being allowed to legally change their gender status, the public is divided. Four in ten (40%) say the law should allow people to change their legal gender, while 37% say it should not. The remaining 23% are unsure.'

'By 60% to 17%, Britons think the legal process should continue to require a doctor’s approval, and by a similar 59% to 15%, Britons say transgender people should continue to have to show they have lived in their new gender for two years before the change can be legally accepted.'

'The public are strongly opposed to trans women athletes participating in women’s sporting events, by 61% versus just 16% who are supportive.'

'Britons are split on whether trans women should be allowed to use women’s toilets (38% say they should, 41% say they should not), they tend to be opposed to allowing trans women to use women’s changing rooms, by 43% to 34%'

'Subsequently asking the same questions about toilets and changing rooms – but this time specifying trans people who had not undergone gender reassignment surgery – sees permissiveness decline. In the case of allowing such trans women to use women’s toilets, willingness falls from 38% in the generic question to 29%, and in the case of changing rooms, from 34% to 25%.
Belief that transgender men who have not undergone gender reassignment surgery should be allowed to use men’s toilets falls from 42% in the generic question to 32%, and changing rooms from 40% to 28%.'

https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1?redirect_from=%2Ftopics%2Fsociety%2Farticles-reports%2F2022%2F07%2F20%2Fwhere-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

Tsk tsk, talk about defining people by their biology. So narrow minded of her!

It's in the top-right. You can type a URL yes?

Original of the first link: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-january-to-march-2021

And the second: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Given their length, I can understand the use of URL shorteners and archives by the graphic artist.

If you are so disturbed by simply seeing a penis then you need therapy. The very obvious difference is that the flasher is intentionally sexually intimidating you in a space where no-one is supposed to have their genitals visible to others, whereas the trans woman is simply minding her own business changing in a space designed for that purpose, where everyone is exposing their genitals. If anyone, whatever genitals they may have, intentionally acts in an intimidating manner in such a space, or indeed commits an act of sexual violence, then that is of course a crime. But a trans woman merely having a penis in a space where you might see it, while you might not personally like it, is in no way comparable to someone being a flasher.

I don't think it's appropriate to guess at what the dead would say now. I judge Fry by her actions, which were to remove even male staff from women's prisons.

If you are so disturbed by simply seeing a penis then you need therapy.

Jesus fucking christ.

An apologist for indecent exposure. How vile.

Mmm, I'm quite sure you do. It would be profoundly inconvenient for your argument if she did continue to maintain the necessity for female prisoners to be housed away from males, after all.

Wow. Wow. Now I've heard it all. Women who are rape survivors or DV survivors who need a space without seeing a penis "need therapy". What a hateful, ignorant, and insensitive misogynistic comment. There is no low is there that you won't go to, to justify this Meninist Ideological cult. You are too far gone in the cult to reason with.

In both cases, the perp KNOWS they are making a woman feel uncomfortable. A man (transwoman) in a womans space is not 'minding their own business'. They are enjoying hurting women and making us uncomfortable. The transwoman is as much a flasher, if not moreso, than the male in the trenchcoat outside. Indecent exposure is indecent exposure.

But this is just the point!!! How the hell am I supposed to know that that person in the changing room is a genuine trans women and not just a pervert getting their kicks? How? There is no difference!! Get them out of there!

Funny how the 'compassion' and 'kindness' is all one way. So much kindness for naked men. Zero kindness for vulnerable women and girls. Women are vulnerable. Men are not. Strange how you have no compassion or kindness for women, girls, and rape/DV survivors. I proffer to suggest that it's on the contrary; if a male feels the need to flash his penis in a women and girls spaces, he is the one who needs therapy! Not indulging.

Are you, or do you just identify yourself as one?

A total disregard for rape victims, orthodox Jewish women, and Muslim women.

A total disregard for the victims in the Wi Spa and Katie Dolatowski cases.

An apparent inability to understand that some men get their jollies from wearing women's clothes, entering women's spaces, and inflicting their presence on unsuspecting women and that a de facto mixed changing room with "women" on the door sign will be a magnet for these men.

A total disregard of how it's a lot harder to flee a flasher or other sex offender when you're in an enclosed space with him and he's between you and the door.

A video of a transwoman with an erect penis in the womens. Don't tell me he wasn't getting off on being in a womans space. https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1674501004174278656

As recently as the nineties polling showed that the majority of people believed that it was morally wrong to be gay, and the moral panic around AIDS set the gay rights movement back, but 30 years later look how far we've come. There may have been some deliberately manufactured moral panic about trans people, and that may have had some impact, but the younger generation see things differently, and in 30 years time the arguments you are making will be seen as completely archaic.

i know you’d like to think this, but I have to disagree. Time will tell who’s right.