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Are We BU for not "supporting" our friend?

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algreaves1987 · 03/11/2023 22:44

This is a scenario that myself and my husband were both witness to and it's now causing a huge problem! FYI we have all known each other since our teenage years so a long time.

A(she)+B(he)= married couple (together 17 years married 10)
C(She)+D(he)= Long-term partners (15 years!)
Us! (Married 12 years together for 15)

We are all in our late 30s if that helps.

We were out at a nice restaurant. Since COVID we haven't seen that much of each other so we all agreed to get a nice hotel overnight and go out for dinner and drinks at the halfway point (the furthest between us is about 3 hours). So we meet at the hotel have a chat then go and get ready. Everything is fine at this point. We meet in the lobby and A seems a little icy with B but not that awful, in my opinion. Please note that in my opinion, B can quite often be very rude (lacks social skills - not from any issues - just doesn't care how other people feel at times).

We get a cab and go to the restaurant. We get seated and B's phone goes off and he goes outside to talk to his parents. A is instantly pissed off. She makes comments like "Here we go again" "Why can't they leave him alone for 5 minutes" etc. It's awkward but my husband does an amazing job of turning it around and we are all laughing within a few minutes.

B comes back and A literally just ignores him. He tries to talk to her, but she won't engage. At this point this is more than just the phone call I think, something is clearly going on but I really don't want to get involved and my husband and I have been looking forward to this for a few weeks. We get drinks and order food. B started talking to me and my husband asking about work. A is currently working part-time (she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it - we all agree personally that she's been much happier since she dropped her hours in half and her caseload). If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

He asks us about how we divide chores etc in the house - we have a cleaner so that helps but previously we just split things between us depending on who wanted to do what. He then asks me directly whether I help my husband's parents. I haven't spoken to my MIL for nearly 3 years due to the issues I have with her behavior. I don't air our private issues in public - I know my husband is upset that there is no relationship between myself and his family but he also knows that his family caused this so doesn't blame me. I don't want to talk about it as I don't want to rub it in his face. He then hypothetically asked me "If my MIL had, had surgery and couldn't get around and needed help and was very elderly would I consider helping her in the evenings?" Again to not rub things in my husband's face I said "That would depend on my availability - work and family considering". He asked me if I would be open to it and I said sure. At this point, the dinner arrives. We are chomping away and commenting on how delicious the dinner is when suddenly A just gets up and walks out. We are all dumbfounded except B. He carries on eating his dinner telling us to do the same because she is just doing it for "attention". At this point, I feel like all the questioning me about my in-laws has something to do with it.

I tried to call A multiple times. I called the hotel (about 20 minutes after she left) to ask if she had arrived etc but they wouldn't advise me. We finished our meal, had another drink and I said to my husband that I wanted to go back to the hotel because I was no longer comfortable. He agreed. B was fuming, telling us that "she does this all the time to spoil things" and "she'll be back in about an hour completely fine and pretend that she had some emergency". I wasn't buying it. A had gotten upset over the years with comments made (and she had made quite a few herself to others) but she hadn't just walked out and disappeared.

When we got back to the hotel we called other friends and people we knew who knew her to see if anyone had heard from her because B said she wasn't in the hotel room and she'd taken her bag. Their car was still in the car park though. B just went to bed. He wasn't interested in looking. At this point, we felt like there wasn't much we could do but wait so we stayed up watched a crappy movie, and called a couple more times but ultimately went to sleep. The following morning still nothing. B went back home. We got a frantic call from him just over 3 hours later to tell us that she'd been home and most of her things were gone. At this point, my husband just asks him plainly what's going on. He explains that his mother became ill about 10 weeks ago and needed help. His father was very old-fashioned and not coping that well. In their house B is the higher earner but works 12-hour shifts so helping wasn't an option (in his eyes at least). A had put up with a lot from MIL - she'd been rude, deliberately excluded her from Christmas, and took away special moments from her (they have a daughter). To be honest I am really lucky with my husband, he fully supports me but I don't think B supported A at all whilst this was happening. A told us that he kept pushing and telling her that she wasn't making the effort. In the last 4 years, he stopped forcing the relationship - or so we thought.

This happened 2 weeks ago. She removed herself from our WhatsApp group. She sent me and our other friend C a message stating that she was upset that none of us girls " stood up" for her when it was clear that B was referring to her not helping and that she needed some space. She blocked both of us after that.
C feels like A has a point because it was obvious that B was talking about A not helping with his mother (at the time not that obvious to me, but hey ho). C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point.

So B's mum came out of the hospital and B wants A to go around and nurse her back to health now she is part-time. According to B A laughed in his face and told him she doesn't care if she dies - he'd finally understand then. He said he'd only brought it up a few times over the last 10 weeks - I'm guessing that isn't true because I know B. When he wants something he's like a bulldog. B knows A doesn't want to be anywhere near him and he hasn't seen his daughter for 2 weeks now. He's expecting a divorce proceedings to start.

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite. I don't feel it's the same because MIL is apparently nowhere as ill as her dad was (although her dad didn't engage with GPs etc so none of us really knew how ill he really was until he died).

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

Are we BU for not supporting her during the dinner? I have told B that until I get A's side of the story I am not taking sides at all, my husband agrees. We know A can also be a little hot-headed (but to be honest we think B is way over the line here)

OP posts:
theduchessofspork · 03/11/2023 22:53

Good grief

Yep you could have told him to button it, but the fact you didn’t doesn’t make you bad friends - as a rule you don’t interfere in other people’s arguments, and your friend is able to stand up for herself.

The mates of hers messaging you on face book are unhinged - so block and ignore.

Get a message to her to say you are around if she needs you, but otherwise forget it all and crack on with your life. Don’t get pulled into other people’s drama - they will be better off apart anyway.

Elvis1956 · 03/11/2023 22:54

And this is why I was taught not to have close friends. Not your Circus not your monkeys. Reply to every shitty person and ask them what they did. And what they would have done with no information about the situation and she not saying anything.... actually don't. Just ask them what the fuck does it matter to you and your family... how can you solve the world and what did they do

TeaKitten · 03/11/2023 22:55

So A has got her friends telling you you don’t deserve to live… and you think B is ‘way over the line’.

Block the pair of drama llamas and this friends of As and move on with your life.

That post was really hard to read.

Sunnydays0101 · 03/11/2023 22:55

I’d completely remove yourself from the situation. Block anyone that sends you nasty messages, don’t message A or B, etc.

smartiesneberhadtheanswer · 03/11/2023 22:57

Elvis1956 · 03/11/2023 22:54

And this is why I was taught not to have close friends. Not your Circus not your monkeys. Reply to every shitty person and ask them what they did. And what they would have done with no information about the situation and she not saying anything.... actually don't. Just ask them what the fuck does it matter to you and your family... how can you solve the world and what did they do

Taught not to have close friends?

Wow the AI bots are getting less incognito 😂😂😂

CrapBucket · 03/11/2023 22:57

Definitely the best thing to do in this situation is post every tiny detail online…

Spirallingdownwards · 03/11/2023 23:00

Yes even from your post it was bloody obvious when he was probing about whether you would help MIL that he was making pointed remarks about her. In reality you wouldn't help your MIL so why did you pretend it would depend on your availability and not just say that's a flat-out no!

No wonder A left. Good for her.

If you want a relationship for her apologise and say you were trying to avoid a confrontation and that it has backfired.

RedCoffeeCup · 03/11/2023 23:02

Wow. Both A and B sound really awful. B is being a massive twat to A and A seems to be blaming you when you haven't done anything wrong. I would step away from this friendship tbh.

Dotcheck · 03/11/2023 23:02

Ditch the lot.
Both of them are incredibly rude to drag everyone ( including everyone in FB world) into their fight

RantyAnty · 03/11/2023 23:02

B is clearly the selfish arse but As friends are way out of line.
What were they doing about it?

Agree about blocking the both of them. You don't need that drama in your lives

WillowCraft · 03/11/2023 23:06

CrapBucket · 03/11/2023 22:57

Definitely the best thing to do in this situation is post every tiny detail online…

This

SD1978 · 03/11/2023 23:14

In regards to the initial meal- those kind of loaded questions would always have me assume that B was being a dick, and B has firm for being a dick- so yeah, I can understand she felt attacked and felt she had no support from anyone else at the table. Ha being her friends start shit is juts childish. I'd be blocking the lot

Younghearts · 03/11/2023 23:14

I was going to write a really long response but in a sentence: Jesus Christ did you say late 30’s or late 13’s? What a load of immature nonsense.

I’m in my late 20’s and couldn’t be dealing with this absolute rubbish. It sounds like friend A is extremely immature and blocking you off WhatsApp instead of an adult chat? Something I imagine a 15 year old doing.

Honestly - you’ve dodged a bullet with that one!

Younghearts · 03/11/2023 23:16

Adding onto my response. B sounds awful.

I’d distance myself from both and let them sort this out. If A is being funny then why support her.

Younghearts · 03/11/2023 23:17

Also can’t believe there are people in their late 30’s sending you messages about how bad you are or you shouldn’t live. I’m gobsmacked there are people older than me doing this.

AtrociousCircumstance · 03/11/2023 23:21

B is awful. Utter wanker.

It should have been crystal clear to you that he was indirectly criticising A with the hypothetical questions! But you don’t deserve the level of anger and drama.

Pumpkinspicelattetime · 03/11/2023 23:25

A's friends are out of line sending abusive messages to you. B is a complete dickhead for how he has been treating A for years. And, given you earn so much (which you were so keen to tell us about), I wonder how you are so socially inept you didn't realise what B was doing at the meal. I clued in after your first sentence about it. I wonder how many other times you've sided with the piece of shit bullying his wife.

Ottersmith · 03/11/2023 23:30

Well it was pretty obvious he was talking about his own situation so you should have stuck up for her at the meal, especially as you know the back story involving her Father. Sounds like she is ready to divorce him and he sounds like an utter prick so yes you should have stuck up for her.

I don't know why you insist on sitting on the fence until you hear both sides when you know what a massive dickhead this guy is. She shouldn't be getting her friends to gang up on you on social media though. That's too dramatic.

DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz · 03/11/2023 23:32

Stay out of it. It’s not your business nor your problem.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 03/11/2023 23:32

Wow. Some friend you are posting this much details about someone else’s life, definitely enough that this could be outing to an6body A or B have shared even just a quarter of the story with. I think to be honest most of the information you’ve posted about is none of your business, other people lives aren’t a drama/ saga for you to disclose so much about on an internet forum. I think you should have kept all the backstory and specific details private, they mostly aren’t that relevant to your AIBU question anyway. Even if you weren’t unreasonable not to support A at the dinner you’re being unreasonable now by posting the ins and outs of their real life on an internet forum, even if you think by not using real names it’s not outing the amount of specific information you’ve included is enough for anybody who knows A and B to recognise them.

Boomboom22 · 03/11/2023 23:35

Obviously you were a terrible friend to her. You outright supported him by saying yes you would depending on time which was an odd lie when you are NC. Particularly if your friends knows you are NC with mil it's like a massive slap in the face. Not sure how you can't already know that. You put B above her plainly in front of her face so as to not cause him discomfort with no care that threw her under the bus.

Brefugee · 03/11/2023 23:37

Knowing A & B's history you blithered on about how you'd be open to helping your MIL. How the hell did you not know that he was needling A? How did you not tell him to get over himself, that he was an absolute fucking arse when A's father died and that given his mother's behaviour towards his wife he should STFU?

Sure A could have just walked out. That isn't easy especially when you have a child and no parents to go to. So basically the men in your group are tossers, and you have let your friend down badly.

In A's position I'd leave you all to it. "friends" indeed.

Chickychoccyegg · 03/11/2023 23:38

Spirallingdownwards · 03/11/2023 23:00

Yes even from your post it was bloody obvious when he was probing about whether you would help MIL that he was making pointed remarks about her. In reality you wouldn't help your MIL so why did you pretend it would depend on your availability and not just say that's a flat-out no!

No wonder A left. Good for her.

If you want a relationship for her apologise and say you were trying to avoid a confrontation and that it has backfired.

This is what I was also going to say

ithinkthatmaybeimdreaming · 03/11/2023 23:43

I would be stepping back and letting them sort it out themselves. How do people get friends with such drama in their lives? Honestly, I just couldn't be bothered with it, and all this "you should be supporting me" in something which is clearly nothing to do with you is just childish and dramatic.

Malarandras · 03/11/2023 23:43

I only read all this because I was brushing my teeth and have a 2 minute timer on.

Anyway, all I want to say is that it was crystal clear to me what the husband was doing so it should have been obvious to you. And it’s too late now for you to support the wife. Just extricate yourself from the situation now and move on. What else can you do?