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Are We BU for not "supporting" our friend?

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algreaves1987 · 03/11/2023 22:44

This is a scenario that myself and my husband were both witness to and it's now causing a huge problem! FYI we have all known each other since our teenage years so a long time.

A(she)+B(he)= married couple (together 17 years married 10)
C(She)+D(he)= Long-term partners (15 years!)
Us! (Married 12 years together for 15)

We are all in our late 30s if that helps.

We were out at a nice restaurant. Since COVID we haven't seen that much of each other so we all agreed to get a nice hotel overnight and go out for dinner and drinks at the halfway point (the furthest between us is about 3 hours). So we meet at the hotel have a chat then go and get ready. Everything is fine at this point. We meet in the lobby and A seems a little icy with B but not that awful, in my opinion. Please note that in my opinion, B can quite often be very rude (lacks social skills - not from any issues - just doesn't care how other people feel at times).

We get a cab and go to the restaurant. We get seated and B's phone goes off and he goes outside to talk to his parents. A is instantly pissed off. She makes comments like "Here we go again" "Why can't they leave him alone for 5 minutes" etc. It's awkward but my husband does an amazing job of turning it around and we are all laughing within a few minutes.

B comes back and A literally just ignores him. He tries to talk to her, but she won't engage. At this point this is more than just the phone call I think, something is clearly going on but I really don't want to get involved and my husband and I have been looking forward to this for a few weeks. We get drinks and order food. B started talking to me and my husband asking about work. A is currently working part-time (she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it - we all agree personally that she's been much happier since she dropped her hours in half and her caseload). If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

He asks us about how we divide chores etc in the house - we have a cleaner so that helps but previously we just split things between us depending on who wanted to do what. He then asks me directly whether I help my husband's parents. I haven't spoken to my MIL for nearly 3 years due to the issues I have with her behavior. I don't air our private issues in public - I know my husband is upset that there is no relationship between myself and his family but he also knows that his family caused this so doesn't blame me. I don't want to talk about it as I don't want to rub it in his face. He then hypothetically asked me "If my MIL had, had surgery and couldn't get around and needed help and was very elderly would I consider helping her in the evenings?" Again to not rub things in my husband's face I said "That would depend on my availability - work and family considering". He asked me if I would be open to it and I said sure. At this point, the dinner arrives. We are chomping away and commenting on how delicious the dinner is when suddenly A just gets up and walks out. We are all dumbfounded except B. He carries on eating his dinner telling us to do the same because she is just doing it for "attention". At this point, I feel like all the questioning me about my in-laws has something to do with it.

I tried to call A multiple times. I called the hotel (about 20 minutes after she left) to ask if she had arrived etc but they wouldn't advise me. We finished our meal, had another drink and I said to my husband that I wanted to go back to the hotel because I was no longer comfortable. He agreed. B was fuming, telling us that "she does this all the time to spoil things" and "she'll be back in about an hour completely fine and pretend that she had some emergency". I wasn't buying it. A had gotten upset over the years with comments made (and she had made quite a few herself to others) but she hadn't just walked out and disappeared.

When we got back to the hotel we called other friends and people we knew who knew her to see if anyone had heard from her because B said she wasn't in the hotel room and she'd taken her bag. Their car was still in the car park though. B just went to bed. He wasn't interested in looking. At this point, we felt like there wasn't much we could do but wait so we stayed up watched a crappy movie, and called a couple more times but ultimately went to sleep. The following morning still nothing. B went back home. We got a frantic call from him just over 3 hours later to tell us that she'd been home and most of her things were gone. At this point, my husband just asks him plainly what's going on. He explains that his mother became ill about 10 weeks ago and needed help. His father was very old-fashioned and not coping that well. In their house B is the higher earner but works 12-hour shifts so helping wasn't an option (in his eyes at least). A had put up with a lot from MIL - she'd been rude, deliberately excluded her from Christmas, and took away special moments from her (they have a daughter). To be honest I am really lucky with my husband, he fully supports me but I don't think B supported A at all whilst this was happening. A told us that he kept pushing and telling her that she wasn't making the effort. In the last 4 years, he stopped forcing the relationship - or so we thought.

This happened 2 weeks ago. She removed herself from our WhatsApp group. She sent me and our other friend C a message stating that she was upset that none of us girls " stood up" for her when it was clear that B was referring to her not helping and that she needed some space. She blocked both of us after that.
C feels like A has a point because it was obvious that B was talking about A not helping with his mother (at the time not that obvious to me, but hey ho). C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point.

So B's mum came out of the hospital and B wants A to go around and nurse her back to health now she is part-time. According to B A laughed in his face and told him she doesn't care if she dies - he'd finally understand then. He said he'd only brought it up a few times over the last 10 weeks - I'm guessing that isn't true because I know B. When he wants something he's like a bulldog. B knows A doesn't want to be anywhere near him and he hasn't seen his daughter for 2 weeks now. He's expecting a divorce proceedings to start.

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite. I don't feel it's the same because MIL is apparently nowhere as ill as her dad was (although her dad didn't engage with GPs etc so none of us really knew how ill he really was until he died).

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

Are we BU for not supporting her during the dinner? I have told B that until I get A's side of the story I am not taking sides at all, my husband agrees. We know A can also be a little hot-headed (but to be honest we think B is way over the line here)

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Chickychoccyegg · 03/11/2023 23:44

Crazy amount of detail there, including income , marital status , and your relationship with your inlaws, think you could have left a lot of that out, hopefully you've changed some of the details,or this will possibly be outing.

ToadOnTheHill · 03/11/2023 23:46

Either leave them both to it or pick a side. If you pick a side, pick A. Apologise for not noticing and cut B out. B is a toxic piece of shit.

As friends are wankers.

Lavender14 · 03/11/2023 23:46

I think it was pretty obvious they were having an argument that B was trying to drag you into. So I would have shut him down and been non committal but if you didn't pick up on that then you didn't pick up on that.

A wants to walk out and leave B that's fair enough they've obviously been rocky for a long time, but her reaction to you is now ott. Her friends sound really weird sending you those messages, that's not a normal thing to do in any circumstance.

I'd reply to them and say you will only speak with A directly and if they continue harassing you, you'll go to the police. And screenshot the messages.

I don't know if you have a way to get in touch with A, if you do I'd be tempted to send one last message saying you understand she's hurting and you're sorry you didn't pick up on what was happening that evening. I'd say you're open to talking to her if she wants to but I'd also send her a copy of the messages her friends have sent you and tell her that she needs to tell them to stop before you go to police about them because they're out of line.

Tbh I'd be blocking the lot of them and moving on completely. The only thing that's making me hesitate is that B sounds like he's been borderline abusive to A in the past and if that's the case then she might need support. But if she's aware of the messages her mates are sending then I'd not be counting her a friend anyway.

Beautiful3 · 03/11/2023 23:58

She's being ridiculous and shouldn't be asking her friends, to send you abusive messages. I'd block her and her friends and stay out of it. Her husband didn't treat her right, and shouldn't have forced her to care for mil when he didn't allow it for her father. He was being controlling and abusive. I guess he's learned his lesson now. She obviously is in a bad head space right now, and thinks you're all against her. I'd step away and leave them to it.

Closetheblinds · 04/11/2023 00:00

I’d forget about both of them. A’s friends wouldn’t be contacting you if she hadn’t painted a bad picture of you. She wants someone to blame and you are that someone.

Someoneonlyyouknow · 04/11/2023 00:08

It was obvious what B was doing, and you know what he's like. I think perhaps you were so busy trying to keep your own in-law situation under wraps that missed the effect this was having on A.

You have put an awful lot of detail into your OP, maybe get it deleted

SoShallINever · 04/11/2023 00:10

Some friends are lifelong, some come and go.
I couldn't be arsed with this sort of drama, it's wearing and boring as hell.

porridgeisbae · 04/11/2023 00:13

A is unstable and B is a bellend.

Obviously you were a terrible friend to her. You outright supported him by saying yes you would depending on time which was an odd lie when you are NC. Particularly if your friends knows you are NC with mil it's like a massive slap in the face. Not sure how you can't already know that. You put B above her plainly in front of her face so as to not cause him discomfort with no care that threw her under the bus.

No, obviously OP wasn't supporting B over A, she thinks he can be a dick. OP didn't realize what he was getting at, and was just trying to not upset her own husband/share stuff that was personal.

TwoDozenWomen · 04/11/2023 00:14

Have you heard of the Karpman Drama Triangle? There are 3 positions, Victim, Persecutor and Rescuer. A and B are enmeshed in it, and it sounds like you feel comfortable with them because its a familiar dynamic to you as well. A has now engaged flying monkeys to act on her behalf. In your position I would withdraw completely from the friendship, and then look into escaping the drama triangle.

Fionaville · 04/11/2023 00:16

I agree it was obvious what he was getting at when he was questioning you. I knew as soon as I read it and I don't even know them. So I understand why A thought it was shitty of you and you didn't have her back. You didn't.

porridgeisbae · 04/11/2023 00:22

I don't think someone can say you didn't have her back when you weren't aware of what was going on @algreaves1987 . If you'd realised, you presumably would've supported her.

It's easy for us to say we would've known what B was getting at, but the topic of MiLs is clearly a fraught one in your household and that distracted you from what he was trying to do.

So it's a shame A isn't giving you the opportunity to say 'sorry, I didn't realise what he was getting at.'

Kaltenzahn · 04/11/2023 00:26

B is an arsehole.

A's friends are arseholes.

It was incredibly obvious that B was having a dig at A with all the MIL talk (and I have no idea why you said you would help care for MIL when you're not close - even if you did get on with her the assumption that you would be the automatic carer rather than DH is sexist shite).

Your fabulous salaries are not remotely relevant.

Boomboom22 · 04/11/2023 00:26

I don't believe anyone could not get it. No way.

Screamingabdabz · 04/11/2023 00:31

Fionaville · 04/11/2023 00:16

I agree it was obvious what he was getting at when he was questioning you. I knew as soon as I read it and I don't even know them. So I understand why A thought it was shitty of you and you didn't have her back. You didn't.

This.

You chose to give a politician’s fake answer instead of choosing to be authentic. You have shown yourself to be untrustworthy and unable to show a smidgeon of vulnerability and empathy. Saying you also struggled with your MIL could’ve made her feel a lot more supported in that situation. But no. You were not a friend.

alchemisty · 04/11/2023 00:32

Both A and B are definitely BVVVU (A in terms of her dragging all of you into her drama, B in terms of how he treated and tried to embarrass A).

But I also think you are being just a little bit U. You talk about B being rude but I think – neutrally speaking, not meant as reproach – you may not have the best grasp of social norms either. If C picked up that B was using you to get at A, then it must have been somewhat obvious.

As another example, I can't believe you talk about your much higher income everytime you meet. Even if B seems really interested, surely it's insensitive to A, C and D even if they don't show it. (Plus saying A "couldn't hack it" shows some underlying condescension which may or may not come through in conversation.) (Having read all of this, I also think B is using you to try and prove a point to A maybe, on the topic of income.)

On the whole though, I could understand if all of this was just a big misunderstanding, but the fact that A has got her other friends to start harassing you is actually unhinged. I understand her venting to other friends, but no one above teenager age then goes on to get involved, let alone via such horrible messages. Whether A egged them on or just keeps crazy company, I would steer well clear of her. Childhood friend or not, a psycho is still a psycho. Putting that aside, even before the walking out, her poor emotional control in a group is very unappealing to me. Meanwhile, B is obviously pretty awful as well.

(Unless your whole social circle, you included, is as prone to dramatics and third party involvement? Again, I mean this in a neutral way, because I know different circles have different norms.)

5foot5 · 04/11/2023 00:40

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

I was pretty sympathetic towards A until I read this. But if she has friends who think this is OK I can't help feeling she is an awful person herself and maybe her rude husband and herself deserve each other.

Don't reach out. Do the opposite. Distance yourselves from this horrible couple and save yourselves from the drama

MabelQ · 04/11/2023 00:40

I just want to say that I think you were attempting to stay loyal to your husband by not airing your MiL issues, and I personally respect that massively… I don’t think that someone else’s husband asking a bunch of leading questions means you need to drag YOUR husband into it by airing the relationship issues between you and his side of the family. I get the impression you were attempting to brush off/silence/downplay/minimize the entire topic and move on, and I totally understand why your default went to “how will my husband feel if I drag my own MiL into this” rather than “is this other guy insulting/pressuring his wife in a roundabout way and using me to do so”.

Hindsight is 20/20 and not all of us can balance a conversation involving a husband we enjoy, a friend who’s being bizarre (and asking rather invasive questions that are backhanded insults to his wife and yet also could leave you in a sticky position) and a friend who’s clearly stretched to the max all at once… especially when the evening was supposed to be a relaxing or even romantic getaway for each of you.

grottyb · 04/11/2023 00:40

And this is why I was taught not to have close friends. Not your Circus not your monkeys.

It’s fairly normal to have close friends & not have this crap.

Wow. Both A and B sound really awful.

yep

NeverNotDreaming · 04/11/2023 00:41

Honestly I couldn’t be arsed with the drama.
A and B sound immature. B sounds passive aggressive. As friends sound deranged and it doesn’t sound like anyone enjoyed the evening.

ACGTHelixA · 04/11/2023 00:55

Given the information provided, it seems reasonable that you and your husband did not support A during the dinner. The situation is complex, It's challenging to take sides without a full understanding of both perspectives from A and B.

CynicalOne · 04/11/2023 00:56

Younghearts · 03/11/2023 23:14

I was going to write a really long response but in a sentence: Jesus Christ did you say late 30’s or late 13’s? What a load of immature nonsense.

I’m in my late 20’s and couldn’t be dealing with this absolute rubbish. It sounds like friend A is extremely immature and blocking you off WhatsApp instead of an adult chat? Something I imagine a 15 year old doing.

Honestly - you’ve dodged a bullet with that one!

Agree. You all sound very immature and goodness knows why A had a child with B as he sounds like a major dick!

maddening · 04/11/2023 01:00

I would message a and say thay b was awful and really put you in an awful position but the reason you did not speak up is because you have your own awkward in law situation and you were trying not to upset your dh due to her husband's horrible and awkward line of questioning- you were launched unwittingly in to the middle of a domestic in the middle of a restaurant and the husband unwittingly touched a nerve in your family so you were totally caught off guard as you had genuinely just expected a nice meal, you would love to support her but her friends sending abusive messages needs to stop as you have not done anything wrong

alchemisty · 04/11/2023 01:01

Screamingabdabz · 04/11/2023 00:31

This.

You chose to give a politician’s fake answer instead of choosing to be authentic. You have shown yourself to be untrustworthy and unable to show a smidgeon of vulnerability and empathy. Saying you also struggled with your MIL could’ve made her feel a lot more supported in that situation. But no. You were not a friend.

Tbh this take sounds a bit childish to me, like from back in primary school or something, when best friends weren't allowed to keep any secrets from each other.

Shit happens in every adult's life, and no one is obligated to talk about anything they don't want to. That's what makes for healthy and supportive friendships, not demanding to read your friend's diary.

I agree it was probably obvious what B was trying to do, though I think OP genuinely might not have picked up on it. She might have thought A was fuming simply because she was being friendly/normal with B. But whether or not OP picked up on it, there are ways to not feed into B's trickery, without breaching your own emotional and mental boundaries. A sounds like quite... a lot... actually, judging from all the dramatics plus her friends harassing OP so nastily, and I'm not sure I'd want to mention my own issues for her to potentially weaponise in their couple conflict or in wider group dynamics.

alchemisty · 04/11/2023 01:08

To add on to above, mine and DH's issues. Partner's privacy takes precedence

LeCreusetLove · 04/11/2023 01:14

Does this level of drama over not very much really happen? I call bullshit 😕