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Are We BU for not "supporting" our friend?

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algreaves1987 · 03/11/2023 22:44

This is a scenario that myself and my husband were both witness to and it's now causing a huge problem! FYI we have all known each other since our teenage years so a long time.

A(she)+B(he)= married couple (together 17 years married 10)
C(She)+D(he)= Long-term partners (15 years!)
Us! (Married 12 years together for 15)

We are all in our late 30s if that helps.

We were out at a nice restaurant. Since COVID we haven't seen that much of each other so we all agreed to get a nice hotel overnight and go out for dinner and drinks at the halfway point (the furthest between us is about 3 hours). So we meet at the hotel have a chat then go and get ready. Everything is fine at this point. We meet in the lobby and A seems a little icy with B but not that awful, in my opinion. Please note that in my opinion, B can quite often be very rude (lacks social skills - not from any issues - just doesn't care how other people feel at times).

We get a cab and go to the restaurant. We get seated and B's phone goes off and he goes outside to talk to his parents. A is instantly pissed off. She makes comments like "Here we go again" "Why can't they leave him alone for 5 minutes" etc. It's awkward but my husband does an amazing job of turning it around and we are all laughing within a few minutes.

B comes back and A literally just ignores him. He tries to talk to her, but she won't engage. At this point this is more than just the phone call I think, something is clearly going on but I really don't want to get involved and my husband and I have been looking forward to this for a few weeks. We get drinks and order food. B started talking to me and my husband asking about work. A is currently working part-time (she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it - we all agree personally that she's been much happier since she dropped her hours in half and her caseload). If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

He asks us about how we divide chores etc in the house - we have a cleaner so that helps but previously we just split things between us depending on who wanted to do what. He then asks me directly whether I help my husband's parents. I haven't spoken to my MIL for nearly 3 years due to the issues I have with her behavior. I don't air our private issues in public - I know my husband is upset that there is no relationship between myself and his family but he also knows that his family caused this so doesn't blame me. I don't want to talk about it as I don't want to rub it in his face. He then hypothetically asked me "If my MIL had, had surgery and couldn't get around and needed help and was very elderly would I consider helping her in the evenings?" Again to not rub things in my husband's face I said "That would depend on my availability - work and family considering". He asked me if I would be open to it and I said sure. At this point, the dinner arrives. We are chomping away and commenting on how delicious the dinner is when suddenly A just gets up and walks out. We are all dumbfounded except B. He carries on eating his dinner telling us to do the same because she is just doing it for "attention". At this point, I feel like all the questioning me about my in-laws has something to do with it.

I tried to call A multiple times. I called the hotel (about 20 minutes after she left) to ask if she had arrived etc but they wouldn't advise me. We finished our meal, had another drink and I said to my husband that I wanted to go back to the hotel because I was no longer comfortable. He agreed. B was fuming, telling us that "she does this all the time to spoil things" and "she'll be back in about an hour completely fine and pretend that she had some emergency". I wasn't buying it. A had gotten upset over the years with comments made (and she had made quite a few herself to others) but she hadn't just walked out and disappeared.

When we got back to the hotel we called other friends and people we knew who knew her to see if anyone had heard from her because B said she wasn't in the hotel room and she'd taken her bag. Their car was still in the car park though. B just went to bed. He wasn't interested in looking. At this point, we felt like there wasn't much we could do but wait so we stayed up watched a crappy movie, and called a couple more times but ultimately went to sleep. The following morning still nothing. B went back home. We got a frantic call from him just over 3 hours later to tell us that she'd been home and most of her things were gone. At this point, my husband just asks him plainly what's going on. He explains that his mother became ill about 10 weeks ago and needed help. His father was very old-fashioned and not coping that well. In their house B is the higher earner but works 12-hour shifts so helping wasn't an option (in his eyes at least). A had put up with a lot from MIL - she'd been rude, deliberately excluded her from Christmas, and took away special moments from her (they have a daughter). To be honest I am really lucky with my husband, he fully supports me but I don't think B supported A at all whilst this was happening. A told us that he kept pushing and telling her that she wasn't making the effort. In the last 4 years, he stopped forcing the relationship - or so we thought.

This happened 2 weeks ago. She removed herself from our WhatsApp group. She sent me and our other friend C a message stating that she was upset that none of us girls " stood up" for her when it was clear that B was referring to her not helping and that she needed some space. She blocked both of us after that.
C feels like A has a point because it was obvious that B was talking about A not helping with his mother (at the time not that obvious to me, but hey ho). C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point.

So B's mum came out of the hospital and B wants A to go around and nurse her back to health now she is part-time. According to B A laughed in his face and told him she doesn't care if she dies - he'd finally understand then. He said he'd only brought it up a few times over the last 10 weeks - I'm guessing that isn't true because I know B. When he wants something he's like a bulldog. B knows A doesn't want to be anywhere near him and he hasn't seen his daughter for 2 weeks now. He's expecting a divorce proceedings to start.

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite. I don't feel it's the same because MIL is apparently nowhere as ill as her dad was (although her dad didn't engage with GPs etc so none of us really knew how ill he really was until he died).

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

Are we BU for not supporting her during the dinner? I have told B that until I get A's side of the story I am not taking sides at all, my husband agrees. We know A can also be a little hot-headed (but to be honest we think B is way over the line here)

OP posts:
gettingolderbutcooler · 04/11/2023 08:25

So A was expecting YOU to stand up to B when she couldn't or wouldn't herself?
Can't bear people who put the responsibility for their relationship and well-being on others.

Muchof · 04/11/2023 08:27

What has you earning twice as much as everyone else put together got to do with this? 😂

It all sounds ridiculous. I cannot imagine a world in which I would send or receive messages from friends of friends saying that somebody “doesn’t deserve to live”. Nobody does that, I am sure of it.

MyCircumference · 04/11/2023 08:27

gettingolderbutcooler · 04/11/2023 08:25

So A was expecting YOU to stand up to B when she couldn't or wouldn't herself?
Can't bear people who put the responsibility for their relationship and well-being on others.

agree

IhearyouClemFandango · 04/11/2023 08:28

gettingolderbutcooler · 04/11/2023 08:25

So A was expecting YOU to stand up to B when she couldn't or wouldn't herself?
Can't bear people who put the responsibility for their relationship and well-being on others.

She has been standing up to him, she’s been saying no. Which is why he tried, and succeeded to get her friends to help pile on the pressure/guilt.

Yeahno · 04/11/2023 08:28

B is a dick. A is also a dick. Friends come and go. If it is no longer working, don't force it. Leave them to their bullshit. Anything you do will give them the opportunity to project the misery to you instead of working on themselves. When they resolve their issues then you can see if the friendship can be saved.

Puffypuffin · 04/11/2023 08:29

I wouldn't have entertained Bs conversation with you about the MIL, it was clear just from reading this what he was getting at. I would stay out of this, it's none of your business and if your friend feels hurt by you, there's not much you can do to change her mind if you can't speak to her. You could write her a letter or to and see her.

I'm not really sure why your high earnings have any relevance to your issue either to be honest.

jeaux90 · 04/11/2023 08:30

Yes YABU for not supporting your friend. You knew the backdrop but engaged in a conversation which basically said she was wrong and should help.

ICanSeeMyHouseFromHere · 04/11/2023 08:33

B is obviously an arsehole. A's friends on facebook are getting there too by abusing you online like this.

I am surprised that you didn't notice what B was doing with the conversation, but I can believe it, it happens when you're in conversation, being polite, and you assume that A would speak up and change the subject maybe. I think when I was younger, I would have been embarrassed and stayed at the table when she left. These days, I wouldn't give a shit and if no-one else went after her, I would - that was the point you let her down I think.

A's done the right thing leaving him. It's a pity she didn't leave 4 years ago, but I've been in a similar place, and you persuade yourself that things can improve - until something so massive happens that you realise it can't.

What happened to the kids? He got home, her things were gone - what about the children's things/the children?

Epidote · 04/11/2023 08:37

With all my heart I tell you not your circus not your monkeys. You are neither unreasonable or reasonable here, you don't know the full reality of what is going on. It seems to me like she had had enough of all. Which is fine. Just bad timing in the middle of the dinner.

TheClitterati · 04/11/2023 08:38

Gosh did you really type all that out? Extraordinary

Walkaround · 04/11/2023 08:38

“Yes, sure, I would be open to the idea of nursing my mil, despite having refused to speak to her for 3 years.” 🧐 Easily said when you have pressed the point you earn more than all your friends put together, so would fairly obviously never consider doing any such thing, because you could afford to pay for someone else to do it and thus maintain your distance.

Thepeopleversuswork · 04/11/2023 08:42

I think B is the arsehole but by not calling him out you are tacitly supporting him and failing to support your friend. So yes I agree with her. You've chosen to gloss over the fact your friend is very obviously being manipulated by her DH and are now pretending you didn't know what he was talking about. It's blatantly obvious to me that this "hypothetical" question about caring for his mum was weaponised to upset her.

He sounds nasty if not outright abusive.

I get that it's difficult to have a scene about it in the restaurant but you should have made clear afterwards where your priorities lie.

RedToothBrush · 04/11/2023 08:43

TeaKitten · 03/11/2023 22:55

So A has got her friends telling you you don’t deserve to live… and you think B is ‘way over the line’.

Block the pair of drama llamas and this friends of As and move on with your life.

That post was really hard to read.

This.

You choose to indulge the drama. If you aren't interested in the drama just block.

Honestly not that hard.

Buggersticks · 04/11/2023 08:47

I don't think YABU because at the time you didn't know the full picture. However, I personally would have gone to check she was OK, even if B didn't follow her out (which he should have). Think if I was in this situation, I'd try and see A in person, and talk it out. B sounds like an arse.

AngelinaFibres · 04/11/2023 08:48

Boomboom22 · 03/11/2023 23:35

Obviously you were a terrible friend to her. You outright supported him by saying yes you would depending on time which was an odd lie when you are NC. Particularly if your friends knows you are NC with mil it's like a massive slap in the face. Not sure how you can't already know that. You put B above her plainly in front of her face so as to not cause him discomfort with no care that threw her under the bus.

This with bells on. If you haven't spoken to MIL for years then you aren't going to run around after her at any point are you yet you fudged an answer over A doing exactly what you would never, ever do.Id be angry with you too.

mangochops · 04/11/2023 08:50

Look, B is obviously a dickhead of the highest order but it was very obvious why he asked you that question so why on earth did you lie about it? You could have easily side stepped that question by saying "ha no, I'd be awful as a carer, its not for me" or "No, I wouldnt have the time or inclination to do that" or "no, I dont think its a good idea for family relationships to put the responsibility of care solely on one person" or "I think thats far better left to professional carers- I wouldnt have the skills/ability for that role" etc
There are literally hundreds of bland answers you could have given to that question without making out like you'd be florence nightingale to a woman you despise and you could have easily done it without divulging personal family info too.

I also dont understand the bragging about earnings in this post- its got literally nothing to do with the outcome so why mention it as relevant? None of you are coming off great in this story.

Wouldyouguess · 04/11/2023 08:52

Spirallingdownwards · 03/11/2023 23:00

Yes even from your post it was bloody obvious when he was probing about whether you would help MIL that he was making pointed remarks about her. In reality you wouldn't help your MIL so why did you pretend it would depend on your availability and not just say that's a flat-out no!

No wonder A left. Good for her.

If you want a relationship for her apologise and say you were trying to avoid a confrontation and that it has backfired.

This.
OP you have to be totally clueless to not have realised what he was referring to.
Fair enough you didnt want to hurt your DPs feelings so maybe you would have lied anyways even if you did know, but you have not stood up to your friend. You stood up for the bully. Does A know about your circumstances? Is yes she would have known you were lying through your teeth.

On the other hand, she gave you little opportunity to support her once she left and stopped taking your calls.

At least she left the dickhead of a husband once, but I also understand why she is upset with you.

It is bizarre her other friends are sending you these messages, doe sshe hang around with teens?

willWillSmithsmith · 04/11/2023 08:53

Yes but what did you have for dinner? You missed that detail out.

Eddielizzard · 04/11/2023 08:55

You weren't supportive, sorry. But it all sounds like way too much drama. Either way I think the friendship is fucked now, and it's time to move on. I wouldn't be friends with B anymore either.

Matronic6 · 04/11/2023 08:55

I think I would have picked up that B's questions had a motive and shit then down but even if I hadn't I would have ignored them for being boring.
But all this nonsense since has nothing to do with you or anyone else. Their shitty marriage is their problem.

monicagellerbing · 04/11/2023 08:56

Can I ask what how much you and husband earn has to do with anything?

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 04/11/2023 08:57

gettingolderbutcooler · 04/11/2023 08:25

So A was expecting YOU to stand up to B when she couldn't or wouldn't herself?
Can't bear people who put the responsibility for their relationship and well-being on others.

This, and if A and B knew that op and her DH have issues on this matter were they hoping for an argument between them as well?
Not exactly showing great friendship from A is it?

notacooldad · 04/11/2023 08:57

Honestly, I'd block the lot of them and get new friends.
What a ridiculous scenario!!
Who has time for this shit?

Petallove · 04/11/2023 09:00

B sounds like he has undiagnosed adhd as he kept on at the situation and should not have brought it up.
They clearly weren’t getting on already.
You weren’t to know where he was going with the conversation but maybe you should have guessed. I think you were mindful of your own situation.
A isn’t innocent in all this as she has stirred it with other friends. The other friends are awful to be messaging you. I wouldn’t want to be friends with A or B they need to sort out their own drama and stop involving everyone else.

Chonkadoodle · 04/11/2023 09:02

You sound smug and insufferable, I probably would have walked out too.