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Are We BU for not "supporting" our friend?

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algreaves1987 · 03/11/2023 22:44

This is a scenario that myself and my husband were both witness to and it's now causing a huge problem! FYI we have all known each other since our teenage years so a long time.

A(she)+B(he)= married couple (together 17 years married 10)
C(She)+D(he)= Long-term partners (15 years!)
Us! (Married 12 years together for 15)

We are all in our late 30s if that helps.

We were out at a nice restaurant. Since COVID we haven't seen that much of each other so we all agreed to get a nice hotel overnight and go out for dinner and drinks at the halfway point (the furthest between us is about 3 hours). So we meet at the hotel have a chat then go and get ready. Everything is fine at this point. We meet in the lobby and A seems a little icy with B but not that awful, in my opinion. Please note that in my opinion, B can quite often be very rude (lacks social skills - not from any issues - just doesn't care how other people feel at times).

We get a cab and go to the restaurant. We get seated and B's phone goes off and he goes outside to talk to his parents. A is instantly pissed off. She makes comments like "Here we go again" "Why can't they leave him alone for 5 minutes" etc. It's awkward but my husband does an amazing job of turning it around and we are all laughing within a few minutes.

B comes back and A literally just ignores him. He tries to talk to her, but she won't engage. At this point this is more than just the phone call I think, something is clearly going on but I really don't want to get involved and my husband and I have been looking forward to this for a few weeks. We get drinks and order food. B started talking to me and my husband asking about work. A is currently working part-time (she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it - we all agree personally that she's been much happier since she dropped her hours in half and her caseload). If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

He asks us about how we divide chores etc in the house - we have a cleaner so that helps but previously we just split things between us depending on who wanted to do what. He then asks me directly whether I help my husband's parents. I haven't spoken to my MIL for nearly 3 years due to the issues I have with her behavior. I don't air our private issues in public - I know my husband is upset that there is no relationship between myself and his family but he also knows that his family caused this so doesn't blame me. I don't want to talk about it as I don't want to rub it in his face. He then hypothetically asked me "If my MIL had, had surgery and couldn't get around and needed help and was very elderly would I consider helping her in the evenings?" Again to not rub things in my husband's face I said "That would depend on my availability - work and family considering". He asked me if I would be open to it and I said sure. At this point, the dinner arrives. We are chomping away and commenting on how delicious the dinner is when suddenly A just gets up and walks out. We are all dumbfounded except B. He carries on eating his dinner telling us to do the same because she is just doing it for "attention". At this point, I feel like all the questioning me about my in-laws has something to do with it.

I tried to call A multiple times. I called the hotel (about 20 minutes after she left) to ask if she had arrived etc but they wouldn't advise me. We finished our meal, had another drink and I said to my husband that I wanted to go back to the hotel because I was no longer comfortable. He agreed. B was fuming, telling us that "she does this all the time to spoil things" and "she'll be back in about an hour completely fine and pretend that she had some emergency". I wasn't buying it. A had gotten upset over the years with comments made (and she had made quite a few herself to others) but she hadn't just walked out and disappeared.

When we got back to the hotel we called other friends and people we knew who knew her to see if anyone had heard from her because B said she wasn't in the hotel room and she'd taken her bag. Their car was still in the car park though. B just went to bed. He wasn't interested in looking. At this point, we felt like there wasn't much we could do but wait so we stayed up watched a crappy movie, and called a couple more times but ultimately went to sleep. The following morning still nothing. B went back home. We got a frantic call from him just over 3 hours later to tell us that she'd been home and most of her things were gone. At this point, my husband just asks him plainly what's going on. He explains that his mother became ill about 10 weeks ago and needed help. His father was very old-fashioned and not coping that well. In their house B is the higher earner but works 12-hour shifts so helping wasn't an option (in his eyes at least). A had put up with a lot from MIL - she'd been rude, deliberately excluded her from Christmas, and took away special moments from her (they have a daughter). To be honest I am really lucky with my husband, he fully supports me but I don't think B supported A at all whilst this was happening. A told us that he kept pushing and telling her that she wasn't making the effort. In the last 4 years, he stopped forcing the relationship - or so we thought.

This happened 2 weeks ago. She removed herself from our WhatsApp group. She sent me and our other friend C a message stating that she was upset that none of us girls " stood up" for her when it was clear that B was referring to her not helping and that she needed some space. She blocked both of us after that.
C feels like A has a point because it was obvious that B was talking about A not helping with his mother (at the time not that obvious to me, but hey ho). C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point.

So B's mum came out of the hospital and B wants A to go around and nurse her back to health now she is part-time. According to B A laughed in his face and told him she doesn't care if she dies - he'd finally understand then. He said he'd only brought it up a few times over the last 10 weeks - I'm guessing that isn't true because I know B. When he wants something he's like a bulldog. B knows A doesn't want to be anywhere near him and he hasn't seen his daughter for 2 weeks now. He's expecting a divorce proceedings to start.

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite. I don't feel it's the same because MIL is apparently nowhere as ill as her dad was (although her dad didn't engage with GPs etc so none of us really knew how ill he really was until he died).

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

Are we BU for not supporting her during the dinner? I have told B that until I get A's side of the story I am not taking sides at all, my husband agrees. We know A can also be a little hot-headed (but to be honest we think B is way over the line here)

OP posts:
JaneAustensHeroine · 04/11/2023 07:46

The basis of this friendship seems to be the opportunity for you to be smug about your own relationship, work and earnings than being empathic and sharing your own personal experience of difficult family relationships. Your own experience with your MIL could have been really helpful in normalising A’s feelings.

Agree with previous poster about your comment ‘A couldn’t hack a full-time job’…. If your friendship with her isn’t over already, it is now! That was mean.

itsmyp4rty · 04/11/2023 07:47

Why didn't A speak up for herself? I'd have been right in with a snarky 'Maybe OP's MIL isn't a complete bitch' if that was my OH trying to score points.

A and B clearly don't like each other but seem set on dragging all and sundry into their marital problems and then blaming others for their issues. It's not your job to second guess what B is referring to and it's not your job to support A when she hasn't so much as mentioned the issue.

You don't need either of these drama llamas in your life, block all the weird 'friends' sending you messages and have a nice normal life without all this nonsense.

MyCircumference · 04/11/2023 07:51

they need to concentrate on their own relationship and not drag others or blame others, that is where their energy is going.

itsmyp4rty · 04/11/2023 07:53

JaneAustensHeroine · 04/11/2023 07:46

The basis of this friendship seems to be the opportunity for you to be smug about your own relationship, work and earnings than being empathic and sharing your own personal experience of difficult family relationships. Your own experience with your MIL could have been really helpful in normalising A’s feelings.

Agree with previous poster about your comment ‘A couldn’t hack a full-time job’…. If your friendship with her isn’t over already, it is now! That was mean.

OP said she couldn't hack being a full time Social worker not that she couldn't hack a full time job. I don't think many people can hack a full time SW position which is why they're off sick all the time and leaving in droves. I don't think there was anything unreasonable in what the OP said - SW's are really, really poorly supported and completely over worked as everyone knows.

windypumpkin · 04/11/2023 07:54

It was so obvious he was talking about his own set up.

BogRollBOGOF · 04/11/2023 07:57

Block them and their flying monkeys.
Any sympathy for A is quenched by the telling tales and abusive messaging.

Go and meet some friends that are grown-ups and have socially matured beyond 10 years old.

Soontobe60 · 04/11/2023 07:59

porridgeisbae · 04/11/2023 00:13

A is unstable and B is a bellend.

Obviously you were a terrible friend to her. You outright supported him by saying yes you would depending on time which was an odd lie when you are NC. Particularly if your friends knows you are NC with mil it's like a massive slap in the face. Not sure how you can't already know that. You put B above her plainly in front of her face so as to not cause him discomfort with no care that threw her under the bus.

No, obviously OP wasn't supporting B over A, she thinks he can be a dick. OP didn't realize what he was getting at, and was just trying to not upset her own husband/share stuff that was personal.

Of course Op knew what B was getting at! They’re all supposed to be good friends, so I’m assuming they all knew about the situation when As DF was ill and died. OP’s DH could have very easily said something along the lines of “my MIL is my responsibility, I wouldn’t expect DW to be looking after her if she were ill” but he chose to say nothing. No wonder A walked off - I would have done the same!
A cannot be held responsible for the actions of her other friends and what they post on FB.
6 people were supposed to be good friends, one of those friends is having a go at his wife and the other 4 friends say nothing. That’s not friendship IMO.

Hibiscrubbed · 04/11/2023 08:01

If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

No. This wasn’t remotely relevant.

A is better off now, B is a cunt. And knowing all that, you should have backed her.

Walkaround · 04/11/2023 08:04

Nothing excuses the behaviour of A’s friends on Facebook - you do not deserve that and it is such a shame A has blocked you completely. However, I think you did fail A spectacularly that night. You were unbelievably dense not to realise why B was probing when asking about your willingness to help your mil and to let the conversation keep going the way it went. Subjectively, however, I can see why your focus was on not revealing the reality of your situation with your parents in law (but did you really need to go as far as you did in pretending you would help a mil when you already knew both your and A’s actual situations in that regard - I mean, what on earth was going on in your head, there?! Did you really think this was just harmless small talk, or are you rather too invested in coming across as superior to A and B and never letting them see your weaknesses, while they lay theirs bare for you to ignore and gloss over?).

Hopefully, A will calm down and realise just blocking you is not the way to go, but honestly, you sound like you were a pretty self-absorbed, shit friend that night and do sound a wee bit condescending towards both A and B.

PlayItSafe · 04/11/2023 08:05

I couldn’t be friends with B after this. He deliberately ruined a night out that others were looking forward to in order to make a nasty point to his wife? Vile.

I felt really sorry for A until the abusive messages.

SquishingWell · 04/11/2023 08:05

they both sound awful.
and those questions were very obviously loaded.
man’s I don’t really get how the fact you earn so much more money is relevant

Soontobe60 · 04/11/2023 08:08

jlpth · 04/11/2023 02:11

Well it seems pretty clear that B is selfish and doesn’t think about A’s feelings at all. And B drags friends into ongoing disagreements by making up questions. What a shit husband. That does not make A blameless, however. A is justifiably pissed off with B, but a A has behaved like a brat by disappearing and ignoring/blocking calls and messages (particularly when she was missing) and getting other friends to send you nasty messages (A must have some weird friends if they are willing to send online abuse like this when they weren’t even there). Overall, I have far more sympathy with A than with B, but the fact that she’s got you blocked whilst her friends send idiotic shit to you seals it - neither A nor B are worth bothering with.

In summary, cut both A and B off, leave them to
their disagreements and divorce. No need to tell them, just don’t bother contacting them anymore.

Maybe this was the final straw for A. Maybe she wasn’t considering the feelings of her so-called friends when she walked out because she had her own emotions to deal with. Who can blame her - after all, as far as she could see her friends seemed to be on her husband’s side in that they didn’t tell the truth about being NC with their mil. Maybe A already knew the situation with OPs MIL and was angry that OP basically lied. She clearly thought the others were on Bs side, so why would she respond to them? She perhaps didn’t want B to know where she was and who can blame her?
What I can’t understand is why on earth no one went after her when she left the restaurant in the first place.
Also, A isn’t responsible for her other friends sending abusive FB messages.

NeedToChangeName · 04/11/2023 08:09

Plain as day B was talking about his mother

And YABU for sharing so much detail online

Pottedpalm · 04/11/2023 08:10

Spirallingdownwards · 03/11/2023 23:00

Yes even from your post it was bloody obvious when he was probing about whether you would help MIL that he was making pointed remarks about her. In reality you wouldn't help your MIL so why did you pretend it would depend on your availability and not just say that's a flat-out no!

No wonder A left. Good for her.

If you want a relationship for her apologise and say you were trying to avoid a confrontation and that it has backfired.

Exactly what I was going to say.

Scottishskifun · 04/11/2023 08:11

B played you like a fiddle and you didn't realise at the time. But unless A had explained the situation prior if your in the middle of conversation and had a drink or two it can be done.

A is lashing out because her marriage is over but tbh B sounds like a dick and it's him completely in the wrong here.

You went looking for A you were concerned about her let the steam cool off then write her an email or letter just outlining your sorry but was unaware of all the elements going on and your door is open should she wish to get in touch.

Personally I would want to be as far away from B as I could he sounds like a manipulative and blackmailing toss pot.

Your DH view that A is spiteful is also ridiculous and in your situation I would be having words with him.

Gothambutnotahamster · 04/11/2023 08:11

Spirallingdownwards · 03/11/2023 23:00

Yes even from your post it was bloody obvious when he was probing about whether you would help MIL that he was making pointed remarks about her. In reality you wouldn't help your MIL so why did you pretend it would depend on your availability and not just say that's a flat-out no!

No wonder A left. Good for her.

If you want a relationship for her apologise and say you were trying to avoid a confrontation and that it has backfired.

This!

Although i'd also block her crazy friends & that might make me steer well clear of her (& of B too).

Milkybarsareonmeeeee · 04/11/2023 08:12

What “A” friends are doing is shocking but I’d bet they know more about the relationship between “A” and “B” then you think. .
Have you thought that B is maybe controlling abs the final nail was when her dad died . A has plodded along for years and now B parent is unwell it’s all re surfaced for A
I think B sounds like a complete asshole who chose a friend catch up to be used to try and bully his wife and embarrass her.

I would have knew straight away what B was doing and you should have shot him down by telling him not to involve you in what ever was happening with them both.

Id get a message to A saying your sorry and to get in touch when she is ready.
Tell B you don’t want to hear anymore bad mouthing of A

In the mean time get ok with life not much more you can do .

oh and block A friends don’t engage further

flaxentoad · 04/11/2023 08:13

Elvis1956 · 03/11/2023 22:54

And this is why I was taught not to have close friends. Not your Circus not your monkeys. Reply to every shitty person and ask them what they did. And what they would have done with no information about the situation and she not saying anything.... actually don't. Just ask them what the fuck does it matter to you and your family... how can you solve the world and what did they do

We were discouraged from having friends too. Never had a friend over to our childhood home in my life. Mum had no friends over either, nor did Dad.

Walkaround · 04/11/2023 08:16

Btw, your dh is an absolute twat for thinking A is being spiteful for not leaving her dh 4 years ago, just so that she can refuse to help B’s mother when the time comes. I mean, ffs…

JaneAustensHeroine · 04/11/2023 08:17

itsmyp4rty · 04/11/2023 07:53

OP said she couldn't hack being a full time Social worker not that she couldn't hack a full time job. I don't think many people can hack a full time SW position which is why they're off sick all the time and leaving in droves. I don't think there was anything unreasonable in what the OP said - SW's are really, really poorly supported and completely over worked as everyone knows.

@itsmyp4rty I have a social work background. I get that. It’s the way it is worded that’s the issue, its relevance to the story and OP’s comment ‘we out-earn them all put together’ …. If you put that all together you get a friend who isn’t really much of a friend.

AuntMarch · 04/11/2023 08:17

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite.
You are all right. She resents him for what happened before, and also probably feels guilty for letting it happen and not putting her foot down.

I can't believe for a second you didn't know there was something behind his line of questioning over dinner though. You had seen things were icy between them, and already knew A doesn't get on with her MIL.

Given you don't have a relationship with your own MIL, I can completely understand why she would think you in particular might shut him down rather than agree in a way that makes her seem unreasonable.

Maybe ghosting you all feels harsh, but maybe it's what she feels she needs to do to get away from an unhappy marriage.

IhearyouClemFandango · 04/11/2023 08:19

AtrociousCircumstance · 03/11/2023 23:21

B is awful. Utter wanker.

It should have been crystal clear to you that he was indirectly criticising A with the hypothetical questions! But you don’t deserve the level of anger and drama.

This. Unless you were hammered it would have been patently obvious to anyone and everyone that he was up to something. And given how poorly he has treated her in the past I’m not surprised how upset she is that she was essentially completely isolated. You seem very observant of moods etc, but then miss this? Unconvinced.

And to now be saying that you’re still not “taking sides” without talking to her when you seem to know the whole story is very odd.

Her friends are unhinged, but she is rightly upset.

nibblessquibbles · 04/11/2023 08:20

YABU to lie when B was clearly goading
A is upset ofc but now BU in sending lots of horrible messages
B is BU and sounds like he always was

Maybe find some new friends

fortheloveofflowers · 04/11/2023 08:22

B is as massive wanker and I think you could have supported A better. The message to you are uncalled for though.

MadKittenWoman · 04/11/2023 08:24

Boomboom22 · 03/11/2023 23:35

Obviously you were a terrible friend to her. You outright supported him by saying yes you would depending on time which was an odd lie when you are NC. Particularly if your friends knows you are NC with mil it's like a massive slap in the face. Not sure how you can't already know that. You put B above her plainly in front of her face so as to not cause him discomfort with no care that threw her under the bus.

This. You could have just laughed and said "No way would I be helping her; wouldn't piss her out if she was on fire. Anyway, my food's delicious. How's yours?"