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Are We BU for not "supporting" our friend?

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algreaves1987 · 03/11/2023 22:44

This is a scenario that myself and my husband were both witness to and it's now causing a huge problem! FYI we have all known each other since our teenage years so a long time.

A(she)+B(he)= married couple (together 17 years married 10)
C(She)+D(he)= Long-term partners (15 years!)
Us! (Married 12 years together for 15)

We are all in our late 30s if that helps.

We were out at a nice restaurant. Since COVID we haven't seen that much of each other so we all agreed to get a nice hotel overnight and go out for dinner and drinks at the halfway point (the furthest between us is about 3 hours). So we meet at the hotel have a chat then go and get ready. Everything is fine at this point. We meet in the lobby and A seems a little icy with B but not that awful, in my opinion. Please note that in my opinion, B can quite often be very rude (lacks social skills - not from any issues - just doesn't care how other people feel at times).

We get a cab and go to the restaurant. We get seated and B's phone goes off and he goes outside to talk to his parents. A is instantly pissed off. She makes comments like "Here we go again" "Why can't they leave him alone for 5 minutes" etc. It's awkward but my husband does an amazing job of turning it around and we are all laughing within a few minutes.

B comes back and A literally just ignores him. He tries to talk to her, but she won't engage. At this point this is more than just the phone call I think, something is clearly going on but I really don't want to get involved and my husband and I have been looking forward to this for a few weeks. We get drinks and order food. B started talking to me and my husband asking about work. A is currently working part-time (she was a full-time social worker and just couldn't hack it - we all agree personally that she's been much happier since she dropped her hours in half and her caseload). If it's relevant here both my husband and I work full time and have the most income - significantly. If you add the rest of their incomes together it doesn't come to half what we make and for some reason, this seems to really interest B - in fact, we discuss it nearly every time we see him!

He asks us about how we divide chores etc in the house - we have a cleaner so that helps but previously we just split things between us depending on who wanted to do what. He then asks me directly whether I help my husband's parents. I haven't spoken to my MIL for nearly 3 years due to the issues I have with her behavior. I don't air our private issues in public - I know my husband is upset that there is no relationship between myself and his family but he also knows that his family caused this so doesn't blame me. I don't want to talk about it as I don't want to rub it in his face. He then hypothetically asked me "If my MIL had, had surgery and couldn't get around and needed help and was very elderly would I consider helping her in the evenings?" Again to not rub things in my husband's face I said "That would depend on my availability - work and family considering". He asked me if I would be open to it and I said sure. At this point, the dinner arrives. We are chomping away and commenting on how delicious the dinner is when suddenly A just gets up and walks out. We are all dumbfounded except B. He carries on eating his dinner telling us to do the same because she is just doing it for "attention". At this point, I feel like all the questioning me about my in-laws has something to do with it.

I tried to call A multiple times. I called the hotel (about 20 minutes after she left) to ask if she had arrived etc but they wouldn't advise me. We finished our meal, had another drink and I said to my husband that I wanted to go back to the hotel because I was no longer comfortable. He agreed. B was fuming, telling us that "she does this all the time to spoil things" and "she'll be back in about an hour completely fine and pretend that she had some emergency". I wasn't buying it. A had gotten upset over the years with comments made (and she had made quite a few herself to others) but she hadn't just walked out and disappeared.

When we got back to the hotel we called other friends and people we knew who knew her to see if anyone had heard from her because B said she wasn't in the hotel room and she'd taken her bag. Their car was still in the car park though. B just went to bed. He wasn't interested in looking. At this point, we felt like there wasn't much we could do but wait so we stayed up watched a crappy movie, and called a couple more times but ultimately went to sleep. The following morning still nothing. B went back home. We got a frantic call from him just over 3 hours later to tell us that she'd been home and most of her things were gone. At this point, my husband just asks him plainly what's going on. He explains that his mother became ill about 10 weeks ago and needed help. His father was very old-fashioned and not coping that well. In their house B is the higher earner but works 12-hour shifts so helping wasn't an option (in his eyes at least). A had put up with a lot from MIL - she'd been rude, deliberately excluded her from Christmas, and took away special moments from her (they have a daughter). To be honest I am really lucky with my husband, he fully supports me but I don't think B supported A at all whilst this was happening. A told us that he kept pushing and telling her that she wasn't making the effort. In the last 4 years, he stopped forcing the relationship - or so we thought.

This happened 2 weeks ago. She removed herself from our WhatsApp group. She sent me and our other friend C a message stating that she was upset that none of us girls " stood up" for her when it was clear that B was referring to her not helping and that she needed some space. She blocked both of us after that.
C feels like A has a point because it was obvious that B was talking about A not helping with his mother (at the time not that obvious to me, but hey ho). C and I also know that 4 years ago A's father died (her mother died nearly 20 years ago) and she was working full-time. B told her they couldn't afford for her to go part-time so she could spend more time with her dad. B said that they had Debts to pay still (turns out very little Debt and B was just saving money for "stuff"). A worked full time and went around there most evenings but cut down because B was complaining that he was working long hours and it wasn't fair he was coming home to having to do all the child care so that A could go around there. She felt like he didn't want her to help her dad out. He died and A was distraught. B did apologise for his behaviour repeatedly but things were really rocky between them for about 8 months. Honestly, I thought she was going to leave him. Their daughter was 3 at this point.

So B's mum came out of the hospital and B wants A to go around and nurse her back to health now she is part-time. According to B A laughed in his face and told him she doesn't care if she dies - he'd finally understand then. He said he'd only brought it up a few times over the last 10 weeks - I'm guessing that isn't true because I know B. When he wants something he's like a bulldog. B knows A doesn't want to be anywhere near him and he hasn't seen his daughter for 2 weeks now. He's expecting a divorce proceedings to start.

Both me, my husband, and C feel like B is the AH here but D thinks that A had her chance to leave him 4 years ago and that she is deliberately doing this out of spite. I don't feel it's the same because MIL is apparently nowhere as ill as her dad was (although her dad didn't engage with GPs etc so none of us really knew how ill he really was until he died).

Really sorry for the long post but basically me and C are getting hateful messages on Facebook from her other friends telling us what scumbags we are and how we don't deserve to live and now I am feeling pretty low about it all. I want to talk to A but I can't.

Are we BU for not supporting her during the dinner? I have told B that until I get A's side of the story I am not taking sides at all, my husband agrees. We know A can also be a little hot-headed (but to be honest we think B is way over the line here)

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EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 04/11/2023 05:06

Yes YABU not to have supported her during dinner. It was crystal clear what he was doing. It's very understandable that she feels angry and hurt by you and C's behaviour. Having her friends be nasty to you on social media is not ok at all. You're all in the wrong here.

JaneAustensHeroine · 04/11/2023 05:52

B sounds awful. He was clearly digging for support during dinner. You could have been honest rather than wording your response in a way that suggests you would help your MIL. I don’t blame A for walking out. She feels betrayed.

If you can’t be authentic with friends then why have them? Someone needed to call B out on his behaviour.

A’s friends should not be making threats but it’s quite possible that A isn’t responsible for this.

Clearly this was the last straw for A and has just reignited her grief for her Dad. I feel sad for her.

WandaWonder · 04/11/2023 06:04

Are any of these people adults? With grown up responsibilities? If this is their lives how do they have time if it is like this a lot

Hayliebells · 04/11/2023 06:08

Are you all friends from school, or friends from school and partners? If the latter, who is your friend from school, A or B? Given all the history with them, B is clearly a massive dick who has been awful to his wife. I'm not quite sure why you're not taking A's side on that, unless you have more allegiance with B as he's the friend from school? If A is the friend from school, what were you playing at? B was clearly having a massive dig at her and you didn't stick up for her. It's completely wrong for her friends to abuse you online though! If B rather than A is your friend from school I wouldn't be impressed with his behaviour at all, and probably tell him so. Being neutral when someone is clearly a massive bully is a bit of a cop out.

itsgettingweird · 04/11/2023 06:09

Another who could tell from your text B was asking pointed and loaded questions and getting at a RL situation.

Most of the rest of the text is irrelevant.

But the threats etc aren't on. I'd be reporting to police as cyber harassment / hate crime and moving on.

Goodnessmexxxx · 04/11/2023 06:28

Firstly I have no idea why you carried on the discussion about MIL with B when you knew what he was like. You should of asked why he was questioning you.

Secondly I am baffled why you even decided to brag about how much you earn. As a PP has stated if you earned so much you'd of clicked on what B was doing.

And thirdly, you're all so childish. You're older than me and not even I could be dealing with this primary school drama.

I do feel for A to some extent. But getting her friends to message you isn't on. But who's to say it's A getting them to message you? She might not even know they're messaging you things.

Viviennemary · 04/11/2023 06:34

This is far too involved. These people have things going on in their lives. I didn't get to the end. Just take a step back. But you do sound a bit smug with your own life and having more money than the others.

Greenberg2 · 04/11/2023 06:41

Pumpkinspicelattetime · 03/11/2023 23:25

A's friends are out of line sending abusive messages to you. B is a complete dickhead for how he has been treating A for years. And, given you earn so much (which you were so keen to tell us about), I wonder how you are so socially inept you didn't realise what B was doing at the meal. I clued in after your first sentence about it. I wonder how many other times you've sided with the piece of shit bullying his wife.

This.

You appear absolutely clueless about what is going on in other people's lives and really rather smug. Has nothing bad ever happened in your life that you can't read the room (not wishing that on you but, really!)? Your comments about how much more you earn than everyone else, FGS!!!! It was so obvious how manipulative the DH was but he might have started knitting some red flags at the table and I don't think you would have noticed it.

D sounds like an AH too. He obviously doesn't have any empathy to realise how difficult it might be for someone who had just been bereaved and had a very young child to just walk out of a relationship with a clearly bullying and manipulative man.

It might on the face of it seem like overkill the way A's friends have been behaving but I wonder whether B's behaviour in other ways has been obvious for a very long time and you could have been supportive in the past (the stuff about A's father sounds pretty nasty).

I imagine it took extreme strength for A to leave B despite your snidey little comment about A not being able to hack a full-time job. If it were me and I'd been so tone deaf about a situation, I'd write A a letter with fullsome apologies for not seeing what had happened and wanting to support her going forward. But TBH I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to have anything more to do with any of you.

KTSl1964 · 04/11/2023 06:42

Hope the child is ok and the relatiinship isn’t health and she’s done the right thing leaving. He sounds like a cruel bully.
leave them all to there drama and report to police if it continues.

BettyPhuckzer · 04/11/2023 06:48

I agree with PPs that the very very best thing you can do is post every miniscule detail on a public forum

Because its way too difficult to work out (privately) what to do Hmm

Greenberg2 · 04/11/2023 06:58

GodDammitCecil · 04/11/2023 02:46

I read shit like this and think - WTF am I doing on MN, is this really a good use of anyone’s time?

Answer: no, it is not.

Not anyone's time. Just your time. >>>>>there's the door....

MN has helped tons of people leave awful relationships and even this post might alert people as to how to be more supportive of people in abusive situations. But you do you.

Ramalangadingdong · 04/11/2023 07:06

I haven’t rtft because I don’t want to be influenced by others views. I haven’t voted because I can’t make my mind up. All I know is that I feel really sorry for A. The poor woman is still grieving the loss of her father and the fact that she wasn’t able to help nurse him in his final illness. People have no idea of the impact this can have on a sensitive human. I was lucky to be able to nurse my mum. Our relationship had not been perfect but doing so gave me closure and I had shown on myself how loving and kind I can be.

Poor A has a boorish husband and friends who are so wrapped up in themselves and their own achievements that they don’t see her suffering. No one came to her aid at the dinner. It sounds as though she does however have some friends who care about her, which is good.

Holidayhell22 · 04/11/2023 07:16

Bloody hell it was obvious to me before I finished reading your post that B is a total cunt.
You so called friends did a number on A. You don’t even speak to your MIL yet you pretended that you would be Snow White. How on earth did you not know exactly what B was digging it? It’s obvious he was talking about A.
Hopefully she will be ok.
B needs to grow the fuck up. He needs to step up and sort his own intents out and what a vile man he is doing what he did to A regarding her parents.
I hope A has a good solicitor and goes on to lead a wonderful life without B in it.
All you can do is tell A you are there for her if she needs you.

Holidayhell22 · 04/11/2023 07:16

Intents=parents.

Shutthedoormargaret · 04/11/2023 07:23

You know all that backstory and still didnt pick up on that loaded question? I saw it a mile off.

You then outright lied in your response, as you're NC with your own MIL.

Then, despite knowing the full history of your friends rocky marriage and situation regarding the care/death of her father, you sat and ate your dinner instead of any of the rest of you going after her.

I can see why she's upset.

It's a shame it all happened on at evening that should have been fun, but these things happen and you let your friend down here IMO.

The other friends on FB are totally out of order and sound unhinged.

LAMPS1 · 04/11/2023 07:23

B isn’t nice is he. You already knew that.
I’m not surprised A got up and left.
I am surprised you didn’t put two and two together at the time of his blatant, persistent questioning over dinner. Maybe you were too polite to turn the conversation around to A, just to show her some solidarity in that moment if you knew he was doing it to hurt her.

In any case, it’s not your business/problem. You inadvertently got caught up in the cross fire and weren’t prepared for it at the time.
The time to involve yourself has now gone so let A be, -to get on with her divorce and her new life with her other friends. Sounds like she is well rid of him.
Not much you can do to make her feel better if she wants no contact with you.
Block the nasty haters on Facebook, - they are ridiculous.

GRex · 04/11/2023 07:25

Way too much info.

  1. Nobody should be sending abusive messages, so you and C should block them all.

  2. Your friend was being unpleasant to his partner, and you felt awkward instead of sympathetic or even suggesting that he move the conversation on, so it doesn't sound like she's a close friend. If she wouldn't respond to your initial contact then just leave it, she doesn't want to forgive you and has enough going on.

  3. I would cut the friendship with B because he sounds very unpleasant.

SheerLucks · 04/11/2023 07:31

What an absolutely horrible and insane situation. I'm speechless - is this how 30-somethings behave these days??

WonderingWanda · 04/11/2023 07:32

The only things I might have done differently would have been to ask A if everything was alright when she first made the comment about here we go again. That would have made it clear what was going on and she obviously wanted to share with you but you wanted to ignore it and have a nice evening so I can see why she's a little hurt. Secondly I would have gone out of the restaurant after her and not be told what to do by B who seems a complete wanker. The involvement of her other friends of Facebook is pretty despicable and I would say that sadly this friendship with A is over and if I were you are would swerve B from now on too.

Shoxfordian · 04/11/2023 07:32

Ignore the abusive messages but do better in future
Poor A

VisionsOfSplendour · 04/11/2023 07:32

How could you possibly not know that B was talking about his own situation? Who has hypothetical conversations about looking after MILs?

The fact that you didn't know that makes me think you might have problems with understanding relationships and reading situations and A may be right

skilpadde · 04/11/2023 07:38

Since nobody comes out of this smelling of roses, this makes me want to borrow a Reddit response... ESH (everyone sucks here).

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 04/11/2023 07:41

in regards to the questions at the meal:

these kinds of questions, especially if repeatedly insisting on an answer, are ime NEVER innocent.
And I - unlike you - did not know the backstory or the individuals involved.

I honestly do not understand why you gave him the exact answer he was so clearly looking for. You could have said no. Changed the subject. Told him that it depended on various factors and was too complicated to answer. Goodness!

and after you clearly contributed to her feeling ganged up on… after you let yourself be a willing tool in her husband’s plans to publicly shame her and or make her comply...
you just kept sitting there a little longer? Finished your meal and had an other drink? You didn’t think to follow her immediately? Call her right then?

as for her having had a chance to leave him a few years ago… well, he sounds horrible, controlling and selfish. Leaving these bastards isn’t necessarily easy. Especially if there are children involved.

good for your (former) friend! I hope she gets support and finds happiness.

and if you ever were a real friend to her: do not simply continue this friend group with B and his new girlfriend!

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 04/11/2023 07:44

The abusive Facebook messages are however absolutely unacceptable.

I am sorry you’re getting them. Don’t hesitate to inform the police if you feel like it’s warranted.

MyCircumference · 04/11/2023 07:45

well C is lucky because she wasnt asked the question

goodness sake your answer was your answer in your own circumstances

let them be blocked - block them all - they are not worth your time.
it is their issue not yours.