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To think that most women don't even have high body counts?

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etchedowl · 03/11/2023 13:08

I read this article in the guardian this morning https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/03/when-andrew-tate-and-the-online-manboys-obsess-over-a-bodycount-girls-you-know-what-to-do which is a reaction to the current misogynistic male obsession with a woman's body count i.e. how many men she has slept with. Firstly I agree with the article that it is a totally misogynistic trope and not to be tolerated. But Secondly I wonder to myself, who are all these women with large "body counts"?

Most women I know like myself (now in my early 30's) would have dated and had boyfriend in their teens which mostly they did not have sex with then maybe a boyfriend or two they did sleep with before finally meeting the man they are now married to at some point during university or early 20's.

Most women I know were not out clubbing every week, meeting and sleeping with different men every week or month as the paranoid fantasies of these incel men say but were more likely to be tucked up at home with their long term boyfriends and husbands having a nice meal and watching box sets or even playing scrabble. Even the single women I still know will mostly socialise together at home with going out being the odd time rather than it being a bit never ending smorgasbord of hot men and sex!

Do any of these men actually know any women or do they just believe the absolute drivel they read online by shady men who are ultimately trying to sell them a product by capitalising their insecurity and paranoia?

Please note if there are women out their having a whale of a time having tons of sex then more power to them absolutely no judgement from me. The point of my post it that it seems in no way to me the norm for most women.

When Andrew Tate and the online manboys obsess over a ‘bodycount’, girls, you know what to do | Van Badham

Tate’s comments that he rejects women who have slept with more than three men betrays a screaming admission of insecurity and immaturity

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/03/when-andrew-tate-and-the-online-manboys-obsess-over-a-bodycount-girls-you-know-what-to-do

OP posts:
VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 04/11/2023 20:40

Hamburger233 · 04/11/2023 20:36

Pmsl.

I know a girl who'd have had 3 in a night. Definitely 2 anyway.

I'm envious of anyone who can have sex after 7pm without getting cystitis, never mind anyone who can have sex several times per day.

HerRoyalGoddess · 04/11/2023 20:41

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 04/11/2023 20:34

^On a side note are we expected to include our B.O.B's and non B.O.Bs?^

Go mains-powered or go home.

That quote is meant to italicise. No idea why it won't.

Edited

I forgot about the ones on a leash 🤣

DickJagger · 04/11/2023 20:42

Go mains-powered or go home

I am DIEING. I absolutely bags this as my next name.

porridgeisbae · 04/11/2023 20:44

@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia People don't usually go there to watch the films. Smile Their advantage over sex clubs is they're open all day, most days of the week. Also some men (and the occasional woman too sometimes) like the seediness of it.

Hamburger233 · 04/11/2023 20:46

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 04/11/2023 20:40

I'm envious of anyone who can have sex after 7pm without getting cystitis, never mind anyone who can have sex several times per day.

We were all very young to be fair. At uni.

SwingTheMonkey · 04/11/2023 20:48

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:27

Of course, MN prude shaming again.

Nah, that’s utter bullshit.

Being told you’re the ‘outlier’ for having a larger number of sexual partners by someone utterly determined to prove women are monogamous, cocoa drinking, scrabble playing puritans (ironically the kind of lass that Andrew Tate and his ilk seemingly favour) is bound to stir up some strong feelings. Deal with it.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 04/11/2023 20:48

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:38

It definitely is.

The OP wasn't shamed for being a prude though. She was chided for discounting lived experiences that didn't match hers.

If you are lucky enough to meet a man you are happy with early in life, then that's great. It doesn't make other women "sluts" or any other kind of weird.

And it certainly isn't OK to shame women who were likely to have been taken advantage of because of abuse, learning disability, autism, etc. Many of those women will have had encounters that they don't call "rape" even though they didn't consent and the man should have reasonably realised that they didn't consent. Those women would count those encounters towards their "body count" when really they shouldn't because it wasn't their choice to have a cock shoved into them on that occasion.

DickJagger · 04/11/2023 20:51

It definitely is

No it isn't! Who are you lieing for? Men? HA!

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 04/11/2023 20:51

DickJagger · 04/11/2023 20:42

Go mains-powered or go home

I am DIEING. I absolutely bags this as my next name.

Honestly, the mains Hitachi wand is God's gift to the clitoris. Mine's so old that I need a 240V to 120V step-down transformer for it because they didn't make a 240V edition back then.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 04/11/2023 20:53

Hamburger233 · 04/11/2023 20:46

We were all very young to be fair. At uni.

When I was at uni, a bloke put me in hospital with cystitis that developed into a kidney infection!

suntannedsnowballs · 04/11/2023 20:53

My goodness my body count must be in three figures - I reckon around 120

I'm now a happily married mum of 2

I lost my virginity at 16 and met DH at 27

10.9 men a year isn't too bad.. considering I was pretty much out every single weekend 😂 Uni was great fun

DickJagger · 04/11/2023 20:53

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia

You have to stop. You're killing me 😂

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:54

SwingTheMonkey · 04/11/2023 20:48

Nah, that’s utter bullshit.

Being told you’re the ‘outlier’ for having a larger number of sexual partners by someone utterly determined to prove women are monogamous, cocoa drinking, scrabble playing puritans (ironically the kind of lass that Andrew Tate and his ilk seemingly favour) is bound to stir up some strong feelings. Deal with it.

Prude shaming is a regular feature of MN.
We've seen it on this thread, under the guise of 'sheltered' and 'naive' but it happens quite often.
Women have somehow bought into the male narrative that we are all either prudes or whores and that this matters somehow.

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:56

"The OP wasn't shamed for being a prude though. She was chided for discounting lived experiences that didn't match hers."

But others are doing the exact same to her!

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 04/11/2023 20:57

Absolutely could not be arsed reading the whole thread but seriously?? Fucking 'body count'? Vile
Who exactly decides what's high? Who actually gives two fucks? You've shagged who you've shagged and it's got fuck all to do with anyone else. Mind your business.
Also prude shaming? Fuck off.

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:57

DickJagger · 04/11/2023 20:51

It definitely is

No it isn't! Who are you lieing for? Men? HA!

Yeah, Ok Dick.

SwingTheMonkey · 04/11/2023 21:01

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:54

Prude shaming is a regular feature of MN.
We've seen it on this thread, under the guise of 'sheltered' and 'naive' but it happens quite often.
Women have somehow bought into the male narrative that we are all either prudes or whores and that this matters somehow.

As I said, op would have had a much easier ride, had she not been
utterly determined to prove that ‘normal’ women aren’t sexual and are happy with one or two sexual partners (that they probably tolerate, rather than enjoy). It’s not ok to ‘slut shame’ which seemed to the intended theme of this thread.

DickJagger · 04/11/2023 21:03

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:57

Yeah, Ok Dick.

Who then? Who are you (in your mind) defending here?

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 21:04

" op would have had a much easier ride, had she not been
utterly determined to prove that ‘normal’ women aren’t sexual and are happy with one or two sexual partners (that they probably tolerate, rather than enjoy)."

She never said any of that, did she?

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 21:05

DickJagger · 04/11/2023 21:03

Who then? Who are you (in your mind) defending here?

I'm trying to help OP. Of course, she may not agree with me...

PaperDoIIs · 04/11/2023 21:05

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:56

"The OP wasn't shamed for being a prude though. She was chided for discounting lived experiences that didn't match hers."

But others are doing the exact same to her!

I'll sound like a 3 yo here but... she started it.

Calling other women outliers, unusual, making it sound so incredible and outside the norm coupled with the faux naïveté of "surely not".

And tbf, assuming most women are similar to you,your lived experience and circle of friends is naive,sheltered etc. It's not exactly rocket science to figure out why some women might end up having lots of sexual partners.

SwingTheMonkey · 04/11/2023 21:06

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 20:56

"The OP wasn't shamed for being a prude though. She was chided for discounting lived experiences that didn't match hers."

But others are doing the exact same to her!

Only because op refused to believe anything other than her lived experience and a couple of dodgy surveys could be true.

Gwenhwyfar · 04/11/2023 21:06

"assuming most women are similar to you,your lived experience and circle of friends is naive,sheltered etc."

Again, it works both ways.

SwirlyWhirls · 04/11/2023 21:10

etchedowl · 03/11/2023 14:21

But overall I don't think most women have a "high body count" whatever the hell that actually is. Most women probably have a 2 or 3 long term boyfriends at most before getting married surely?

You think most women only ever sleep with their “long term boyfriends”?! 😂😂

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/11/2023 21:10

Vanilla shaming is a thing. Slut shaming is a thing.

Maybe we could just stop shaming other women? Since some men are doing such a bang up job of it without our help.