PT 2 of Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

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Would be such a shame not to continue the discussion.

*I live in an echo chamber, almost all my friends and colleagues are Labour supporters, and I only actually know one person who definitely votes Tory.

She's still voting Tory because she's politically and economically illiterate, and has no grasp of how stuff works. She bloody loved the flatulent fabricator Johnson because she thought he was "hilarious". She was an NHS nurse for many years and is now in local government, managing sheltered housing schemes, but because she's got a few lazy colleagues she's still convinced that our public services are adequately funded and any problems are down to bad management and/or lazy staff. Oh, and also because so many people have more children than they can afford because they get more benefits (I've pointed out that since 2017, they don't get any more money after the second child, but she just shrugs). *

Do this ‘friend’ a favour and stop being her ‘friend’. Go and live in your echo chamber as you clearly can’t take someone with a different opinion.
There is plenty of waste in public services and maybe, having experienced it, this lady may actually know better than you. Also, you are incorrect that you get no more benefits after 2 children.

Typical be kind socialist voter who can’t accept that other people vote differently because they feel that is what is best for society.

You'll only really get a 'but Labour' response. The Tories are good for nobody but maybe the top 1%, they just destroy everything.

At least traditionally they were the party of the middle class but even the likes of doctors and teachers now have been extended to the old 'enemy within'.

I'm not a Labour supporter and unenthusiastically vote at every election, but the Tories just destroy things, why vote for that?

Tbf many Labour seats are the same. It’s not like Wales will switch, they haven’t for years

I haven’t rtft but on this one there is a vote unlike last thread, the posts probably don’t match still

Yes, they've done so well for the last 13 years.

Yep same here. Predicted to remain tory. Ffs.

Yet 'trans ideology' has manifested under successive Tory governments (they've been in power all this time).

They're only rolling back on it now as they see it as a culture war vote winner. They won't actually do anything, it's just throwing a bone to the GB News crowd.

Getting rid of the Tories is life improving enough for me and the rest of the UK.

Jeepers!! 😲

Hunt only won by less than 9000 in 2019 (14% more than Lib Dems and Labour got 8%). This was at the height of Boris mania and Corbyn being PM unpalatable to most voters in that area. It was also a Tory/Lib Dem marginal in the Blair years with the Tories clinging onto it.

Could easily be a Portillo moment for Hunt. I think the only really safe Tory ones are in the really rural areas like Sunak's seat. In towns and cities they're in trouble. It

Tories I know (and don't love)

Ex bankers in very nice parts of the north west. Never gone hungry in their lives

Plumbers who sold a very profitable business in the late 1980s and have been sitting pretty ever since. Banker daughter.

Southern civil servant who's not the sharpest pencil in the box and votes Tory "because I'm a southerner". Never been out of work, career civil servant (at a junior grade). Bought their first flat for ten pence (almost) in the early 1990s. Bizarrely woke in many ways but doesn't see the contradiction in voting Tory.

Family member who works for the Sun. We don't talk.

A surprising number of my NHS colleagues who don't seem to grasp how much the Tories despise them. They're mainly managers though and mostly live in a parallel universe where there are endless unicorns and lollipops. Lots of kitten heeled Band 7 and above HR types with overly smiley voices.

Hunt is going to resign isn't he. He doesn't want to be a scalp for the election. This was reported on the weekend I think

He is denying it but according to other reports some Tories are advising Sunak to sack him.

Well they want tax cuts and Hunt said no.

Learned nothing from Truss. Still economically froot loopy

It's stark when you see it plotted on a graph over a long period isn't it @alongcameboo?

This is my plan for the same reasons as you. Though I think we're only having one indie candidate, so it's either him or not vote.

We only had the main 3 last time as the Greens stepped down so they didn't split Labour's vote. The Tory still won.

@verdantverdure

I think it's a combination of all those factors but I also think some of them are a have been sucked into something, rather like Covid deniers.

If people study politics and political parties more than eg football, more than eg big brother, would it be possible to have an elected party that will be good for the country

Also, you are incorrect that you get no more benefits after 2 children.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/16/two-child-benefit-cap-explainer#:~:text=What%20is%20the%20two%2Dchild,child%20born%20after%20April%202017.

And yet all the self identification policies and suchlike have been introduced under tory rule, so it could be suggested that their policies are not actually supportive of women. See also the dire performance of crime against women, lack of female friendly working policies and so on (remember the lovely Scott Benton and Stella Creasy?)

I've voted for all three main parties at some point.

Never vote Tory again. Tjis us because I actually care about children, young and vulnerable people and them having hope for the future.

Oh and self-ID and immigration issues are really low down in my list of priorities.

Housing, economy, health and education are mine.

There will be another by election, Wellingborough, after Peter Bone is suspended for six weeks.

Sorry, I got a bit ahead

THe suspension will trigger a recall petition in Weillingborough that could lead to a by-election

You might be onto something there.

The repeating of the same "knows what a woman is" slogan reminds me of Brexit

There are benefits other than child tax credit/universal credit such as child benefit, housing benefit, DLA, PIP - none of which are impacted by the no of children.