PT 2 of Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

[Zonder]

Would be such a shame not to continue the discussion.

You must be the 5.9% from Woking added to Surrey Heath

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/bdy2023_seast_summary.html

I’m fully going to go Katherine Hamnett and hope!

That's why I keep banging on about tactical voting.

Vote for whoever can win who isn't a Tory.

I'm in that area and the £800- 1200 or so that the Tories Mini Budget a year ago has added onto our monthly mortgage payments is a source of great dissatisfaction.

It's leafy round here. People's incomes are in the top 10% of the country, but nobody wants a £1000 a month Tory Mortgage Tax.

We could all do other things with that money.

Plus it's shaming to live in such a rubbish, embarrassingly corrupt, broken down country with such obvious idiots in charge.

I wouldn't leave most Tory MPs in charge of a pot plant, let alone anything sentient.

So why the hell do we let them run the country? (Into the ground)

And personally, I'm SO sick of being lied to.

Anyway, my point is, there's hope. Tactical voting is it.

(Combined with the current Tories being the greediest stupidest bunch we've ever had.)

Only the most ideologically blinkered tribalist will countenance voting for them next year.

We have an elderly relative who has never voted any other way who has made me promise that if they hold out until January 2025 and there's ice on the ground, I will come and get them to take them to vote for whoever can win in their constituency who isn't the Tory.

Depressing, electoral calculus predicts Murray will retain SE Cornwall, incredible really, she is invisible and voted to continue dumping shit into the River Tamar..... but Cornwall has a lot of older voters, who will never vote anything but Tory....

I'd also agree with their predictions.... whilst Labour do well in low turn out local elections in this seat, views i hear are generally quite right wing.

In my many years, I have voted Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem. Nightmare voter 😂 but generally see myself marginally right of centre.

Anyhows, in the recent council elections my parish voted...... You guessed it ... Conservative. They did lose a few seats to the Lib Dems, but to the ones who really lost out were the local resident associations, due to an on line campaign against them. Local politics is a scary place.

❤"Tory Mortgage Tax" @verdantverdure !

After the NHS being a top issue in reducing Jeremy Hunt's majority in 2019, an NHS director Gregory Stafford has been selected to stand in Farnham and Bordon for the Conservatives.

I haven't seen anything about the other parties

You could put a blue rossette on a 💩 and people would vote Tory where I live. Tossers

What the Tories and Brexit have done to our economy is like having extra taxes on everything really isn't it?

Food goes up again every month.

At one point we had the highest electricity bills in the world.

Even people with higher incomes feel the pinch during the "childcare" years. There are a lot of us where I live, and we feel that extra grand we're paying every month keenly.

And most importantly we are clear on who is responsible.

We're not blaming immigrants, the EU, the National Trust, the Church of England, lawyers, young people, Labour, JustStopOil or anyone else.

We know the Tories did this to us.

And being rational beings we won't vote for them to do it again. .

That used to be true in a lot of places but all these new build estates have moved the young and better educated into places they didn't used to be.

And Tory covid policy has either killed off or alienated chunks of their natural voters.

Only a minority of people have that combination of personal qualities that mean they will still vote Tory despite how much they destroy our country and lie to their supporters.

Getting out the vote and tactical voting can fix that in all but about two dozen seats I reckon.

Our town was the opposite, local residents won the majority of the wards.

It will be interesting to see where those votes go with a GE

No they don't. The whole trans shitshow happened on their watch after PM May announced plans for Self ID in 2017.

In 2021 Minister Penny Mordaunt stood at the Despatch Box and said that TMAM and TWAW. This was in response to HoL's recommendations to changes in the Maternity Bill.

In 2022, Con MP Jamie Wallis came out as trans. Con MP, Crispin Blunt reported a woman to her employer for retweeting JKR, which led to a very distressing time for her. The Tory party appointed Jamie Wallis to the Women's and Equality Com. And PM Sunak gave the top job in Education to Gillian Keegan. A woman who couldn't define the word Girl.

Now, in 2023, the Dept of Ed has told schools they will not provide the promised and much needed advice to school regarding pupils presenting as trans. Just last weekend Miriam Cates had to do a mad scramble after it was reported that PM Sunak planned to include the trans inclusive Conversion Therapy Bill in the King's Speech.

Some Tories know what a woman is.
Some Tories believe TWAW and TMAM.
One Tory believes he is becoming a woman.
None of them care about women.

The Boundary Commission love to bugger about with things.

I totally get that, ideally, all constituencies would be more or less equal in size, but trying to achieve that leads to some very odd constituencies.

Last time round, they moved 3 Labour voting wards from my constituency and joined them up with the adjacent city ward. To make up the numbers, they moved 2 very rural (and Tory voting) wards on the opposite side of the constituency, and in the neighbouring district council area, into my one.

This round of changes includes 3 rural parishes that I could walk to in under an hour being moved into a new constituency that takes the name of a town 20 miles away and in a different county. People in those parishes have no connection to that town, they can't get a train or a bus to it, they don't go there to school or to shop and it might as well be a foreign country. I feel sorry for whoever ends up being MP for that constituency, not only does it straddle two county councils, but will include parts of 4 district councils. And the MP will be expected to liaise with the whole damn lot of them.

The 3 wards we're losing are being replaced are being replaced by 2 more from the neighbouring district, which probably favours the LDs rather more than the Tories, so not all bad.

This is such a useful post.

One of the things that has made me quite confident that voters will bin off our Tory MP is that post-Covid there have been quite a lot of people moving down here from that London, now that they don't have to go into the office as much (if at all). And the two other towns in the constituency have become both "younger" and more affluent too, evidenced by the increase in shops that sell overpriced and tasteful "homeware" and nice coffee shops.

My town has always been liberal (note the small "L") and the other two have followed suit. I'll be very surprised if the constituency doesn't vote LD next time, although the biggest group on the council is the Greens. If the Greens split the anti-Tory vote and give us another Tory MP, I'll be bloody annoyed as well as surprised.

That post is more than useful. So good to see the truth set out like that. Thank you @TooBigForMyBoots.

Could never vote labour

I never have and am a natural Labour supporter. My husband has voted for pretty much every party over the years but is centre-right. He's said he can never vote for them again.

I've never done any political campaigning in my life, but once I work out which candidate can beat our Tory MP I'm going to offer my services.

I had a sudden thought the other night that my children have never know good years in this country.

Only Tory ones.

And it quite upset me.

People who are fed up with the constant self praise and total inability to see another point of view from the Opposition supporters ?

Even some of the red-trouser brigade round here are voting Labour. I never thought I'd see the day. Actually our local Tory MP is a decent man. Works hard. I feel a bit sorry for him, but I think it's just time for a change.

Ither parties are available

Loving your facts @TooBigForMyBoots.

Thank you.

Here's hoping @LakieLady

All the pro-trans changes you are against have happened under a Tory government. If if you think rolling back trans issues is more important than women and children living in poverty right now, Tories are still not a party to be trusted with protecting women’s rights.

They are not bothered beyond trying to stoke a US-style culture war to save their skins - if he thought being anti-feminist would win them a by-election, Rishi would be giving speeches about rescinding women’s right to vote tomorrow. No principles whatsoever.