PT 2 of Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

[Zonder]

Would be such a shame not to continue the discussion.

Don't forget the avocado toast.

And who can tell which option meant what in the vote anyway? I'm the OP and I'm not too sure 😆

@Zonder

It is fascinating who looks at the sorry state of the nation and decides they want more.

@Alexandra2001 - yes I remember the homelessness in London. Cardboard villages under Waterloo. People selling shoes on Brick Lane. Kings Cross even bleaker with prostitutes anc drug addicts. I never forgot seeing these things as a teenager. London was filthy too and dangerous.

I came back as an adult to work and by that time the Labour Party had taken over. Six years had made a huge difference and I have lived here ever since. I hope we can get back together those times.

Yeah, i went to uni in a big city in1996, there were homeless people sleeping rough all over. By around 2002 they had largely gone, it has been very noticeable that they are back again. Depressing. I was saying about it to my OH yesterday, that now I'm old enough to have lived through it all the flannel of "Labour would be just as bad" doesn't wash with me. I have seen the difference between 1997 and the Blair government, then the return to the Conservatives.

"Labour would be just as bad" is the only thing the Tories have got left now, hoping that folk will just stick to how they voted last time round.

Even "they know what a woman is/protect womens rights" has gone after their disgraceful cover of a serial rapist...... they don't deny the 'party paid for a victims on going private treatment......

I think there are loads of Tory HQ plants reaching an audience on the various facets of social media as they have nothing to offer apart from their phoney culture war . No one looking at the chaos of the last few years and the rogues gallery of rapists, incompetents, sociopaths, racists and fraudsters on the make could ever want to vote them in again. Especially on a single issue like “women with penises” which Labour have stated that they will consult on with interested parties to reform the GRA.

No sane person who looks at the current state of the country in permacrisis could ever want a Tory, even if you were rich you would not be unaffected by the drop in the standards of services, the roads, waterways, the NHS, the economy and the utter hopelessness and destitution that are so prevalent everywhere. The party that presided over 230k deaths and did nothing as people “should accept their fate”. I have never seen such despair in people.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publication/performance-tracker-2023

As for the debt, under Labour, debt rose slightly to ameliorate a massive financial meltdown which presaged a financial crisis triggered by the inactivity of regulators and government in the US. Brown did not get credit for decisive action. Whereas debt has risen with each successive Tory governments with a total lack of a rise in services.

But at least the Conservatives know that women don’t have penises. Right?

I was told on one of these threads that access to a dentist wasn't as important as knowing what a woman is.

For those single issue obsessives nothing else is as important.

I don't believe anyone is that much of a single issue obsessive. I think most of those posters have another agenda.

I see King Charles is going to announce longer sentences for serious sex offences. Whilst at the same time the government fails to convict sex offenders and can't jail them because there isn't space.

It must only be the people who rub their thighs at the cruelty now, who plan to vote Tory now surely?

The kind of people who when they see a picture of a drowned toddler on a beach blame his asylum seeking parents for putting him in a boat, not our government for refusing to open safe legal routes so they don't have to in order to claim asylum here.

People whom Suella Braverman Jonathan Gullis and Lee Anderson speak to.

The kind of people who say we should "look after our own."

(Unless they are homeless, disabled, an addict, on benefits, in care, in prison, or need mental healthcare.)

We burned witches to save their souls.

The more shitty you make everyones lives, the easier it is to get them to shit on those below them. It's no coincidence that as living standards crept up, society become ever so slightly less cruel. It's an equation that works in reverse.

I think you're right @SerendipityJane.

The modern Tory voter is only a rung or two up the ladder from the people they want to see mistreated. The Lee Anderson, Jonathan Gullis demographic. They like the swearing and the cruelty, kicking down makes them feel higher up.

Thanks for the very useful graph.

Shows how Covid wasn't entirely responsible for the rise in the national debt, as it was going up and up well before. Although I'm still stumped as to how they borrowed more money and cut services, benefits etc at the same time.

I wonder what they did with it all?

They gave it to their mates @LakieLady.

This country pats over the odds for everything when we have a Tory government.

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https://www.ft.com/content/962c3194-4ac4-468d-bf1a-7c62abc8a401

I can't read that because of the paywall but it looks interesting

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/14/millions-of-uk-households-forced-to-unplug-fridge-to-cope-with-rising-bills

Wow. And here was I worrying that some people might decide it's safe to vote Tory again now some of the absolute worst have been removed.

After reading Braverman’s latest unhinged outburst, it left me wondering whether people who live in the ‘Redwall’ areas, are happy Braverman, Cates, Kruger and Lee keep claiming they speak for them?

I'm loving it!

Its like a nightly soap opera, i'm sure they'll be a murder next!!!!