PT 2 of Who the F**K still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

[Zonder]

Would be such a shame not to continue the discussion.

Item Number One on the "Prepare For The Next Pandemic" list?

DON'T HAVE A TORY GOVERNMENT IN CHARGE.

For a pandemic I want a better view on damage v risk.

I can’t say harsher restrictions in other places were it. It seemed more damage with little benefit.

Obviously for the next one the nature of the risk also counts.

Unisex toilets actually seem like a good idea to me. Nothing to do with trans rights, but everything to do with the queues in the ladies while the men's is empty.
I have no shame, so there have been times when I've had my partner stand guard while i use the mens. Unisex cubicles seem far more fair to me.

Meanwhile in the "which party is best on women's rights?" debate... Apparently British police have been testing women for abortion drugs and looking at their menstrual trackers for the last three years.

www.tortoisemedia.com/2023/10/30/british-police-testing-women-for-abortion-drugs/

The basic issue with COVID was the quality of decision making which was very poor. It seems to have been the very opposite of effective crisis management, and was subject to a number of political egos as a dominating feature, not the actual resolution or making of plans.

Johnson is really responsible for that. He could not lead. A great campaigner but not a leader when decisions had to be made that would have actual consequences. What is emerging is dysfunctional; a bunch of courtiers fighting for influence at the point when the UK needed the opposite.

COVID was a national emergency; and the UK had good preparations for those historically. This time though, the leadership was not there. The kind of bare knuckle behaviour described yesterday tells you just how bad it was.

I can't help but remember the end of Fawlty Towers "The Germans"

"How did they ever win the war ?"

(The real answer is with the resources of an Empire behind us. But you aren't allowed to remember that these days. In fact, now I come to think of it, I'm not sure it's even allowed to be said these days ..,)

Well I do think there is a better government than what Johnson provided. He was not up to it. Whatever good instincts he may later claim, that does not matter. He was a weathervane in a storm, directionless.

He had the same problems after COVID. That did for him too. He had a conspicuously disloyal Chancellor in Sunak, who he actually arranged in place of Javid. I bet he regrets that now.

So when we talking about leaving the EU a lot was made about "unelected bureaucrats running the country" as a reason to Brexit.
Then the Tories/Johnson seem happy to have handed "running the country" to an unelected, personally appointed megalomaniac.
I think I'm more shocked by that than anything else. How did we end up with Cummings in power? Where were the checks and balances? And what damage has that done to us?

They'll do what the Daily Mail tell them (at least that's what they bank on.

Cummings could have done nothing at all unless the PM gave him that power. Johnson sounds and acts like a weak man, he was weak, but Cummings had made him win.

The reason Johnson eventually got rid of him was, according to press, due to Cummings calling Carrie Johnson "Princess Nutnut".

Draw your own conclusions. Had Cummings not been married to one of the top brass in the Spectator I doubt he would have got as far.

I think you could tell at the time that there was a lack of "real world" experience from the covid decision maker(s) and weird priorities.

The issue about domestic violence towards women and their children was ignored. There have been children locked at home away from other adults who might have seen evidence of bruising, mistreatment, malnutrition. It is a good question as to whether the culture at No 10 simply meant these risks didn't get the prominence they should have.

Funny how during covid the economy was so important to them all but where brexit was concerned, 'fuck business'. Liars and hypocrites the lot of them.
And the people who fell for it all were either stupid (in which case, I suppose it's not their fault) or have zero morals.

Who the fuck still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?*

Assumingly people who support these plans

Suella Braverman pushes to restrict tents for rough sleepers
Proposals include new civil penalty for charities giving tents on public nuisance grounds

https://www.ft.com/content/ccf9c260-a98a-4b89-b604-4fa19a9f6a7c?shareType=nongift

Braverman is calling it a 'lifestyle choice' in her tweet

https://x.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1720730450556006714?s=20

Yes, but some women like the fact that they know what a woman is. Feminists really hate the poor, the destitute, the NHS, the social safety net, the Old, the young, women, the vulnerable in society, the degradation of utilities, the compassionate, the carers, and competent government.

A vote for Tories is a vote for women.

Feminists really hate the poor, the destitute, the NHS, the social safety net, the Old, the young, women, the vulnerable in society, the degradation of utilities, the compassionate, the carers, and competent government.
Wtf???????

I think that is sarcasm

If you look through the posts several people have said they would hold their nose and vote Tory because Kami Badenoch wants to rewrite the GRA to allow the exclusion of trans people from single sex spaces which trumps all the other destructive things that this government has done to women, the old, the young and the country.

Typical Tory behaviour. Bring in policies that push more people into poverty, then stamp on them some more.

"At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge," said the gentleman, taking up a pen, "it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."

"Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.

"Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

"And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"

"They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."

"The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge.

"Both very busy, sir."

"Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge. "I am very glad to hear it."

I can see Dickens being banned as "political" next.

Suella braverman is the perfect 2-dimensional modern Dickensian villain

She is not a caricature of a villain. She actually exists, is lauded by many in the Party and is free to implement policy that is red meat to the rabid conservatives. In a sane country she would be “seig heiling” in a home for the criminally insane while conspiring with the painting of a teapot on the wall to make being poor a capital offence.

Who the fuck still thinks voting Tory is a good idea?

55% on this thread have voted YABU

@user411966691966 fortunately Mumsnet isn't a reliable polling organisation. Unlike Electoral Calculus, which has got 7 out of the last 8 elections right and for the past year has been showing polling that makes Tories very afraid.