wonder what has happened to couple who freebirthed in Carribean?

[StrangerYears]

Clive and Iuliia Gurzhii were all over the news for 3 days in August, after idiotically going to give birth on a beach a long way from home.
The birth was unwitnessed and very odd circumstances.
I googled them and all I could find was a gofundme (never saw that one coming!!) - it raised GBP128 out of an ambitious target of GBP15.000.

Do you think they are still out there?

Greetings from Rodney Bay St Lucia. I remember that episode and in August they were off the coast of Grenada and had not registered the birth

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mum-who-flew-4000-miles-27505254

Which mother? My best friend and her wife are both mothers to their beautiful baby girl, and the use of ‘birthing parent’ has been brilliant for them as medical professionals have needed to distinguish which one of them gave birth.

Josy Peukert is on Instagram, or raggapunzel as her user name is.
The odd post about her birth, using it to promote working with her(?!). I guess she has some sort of spiritual holistic type business. Otherwise no sign of a baby! Video of her and baby in the sea does look pretty authentic as the baby still has that white cheese like substance present at birth.

Ignore my above post, I seem to have come across the Instagram of a different woman (who also gave birth in the sea!!)

Why not birthing mother in that situation?
And what if most women want to keep the word 'mother' ? Do their feelings matter?

This was in reply to @SunsetBeauregarde

Oh, wouldn't l love that to be one of the criteria at passport control!

I knew someone who didn’t know she was pregnant until she was five months gone. She was plumpish and had been getting irregular periods.

People were surprised when my sister turned up with a child. She carried a small bump, and people didn’t realise she was pregnant (she knew).

This. Or even birth mother to keep it shorter. I'm definitely one of those whose feelings would be hurt by swapping the word mother for parent.

It happens. I knew someone who DID know they were pregnant but 100% did not show. The week before they gave birth they were on a yacht in a bikini, no baby bump WHATSOEVER. They weren’t recklessly sailing around in middle of ocean prior to birth, yacht was docked but you could still jump in and have a swim. A week later they gave birth to a baby just over 8 pound. Some people just hide the little beggers🤣.

Unfair really. All of mine were 6-7 pound and I was like a huge hippo with many well meaning folk asking when my twins were due for most of my pregnancies.

Yes. I wonder if there have been some proceedings related to the older child, as she seems to have been dumped for months. I also suspect the baby wasn't theirs, and it was a ruse to cover up illegal surrogacy/adoption. Wasn't there someone who came onto the original thread to say she was friends of theirs and that the whole story was true, and the older child couldn't care less that her mother had disappeared for months on end?

Video of her and baby in the sea does look pretty authentic as the baby still has that white cheese like substance present at birth

Completely off-topic, but are they not worried about sharks? Sharks can smell a drop of blood in the ocean from km’s away. I imagine birth would be like a party they are swimming towards. Many of our shark attacks have been in fairly shallow water, including knee deep, it’s not just surfers or people swimming out deep. You are safe from Greats obviously as they need deep water but Bulls can attack in really shallow water. No way would I be giving birth in the sea.

I think from her Instagram she has done it again recently so two sea births. There was a recent post of her with a newborn in the sea in the dark.

I think that there is little in this for journalists now. It would a lot of work for a very short story.

i think the baby was theirs; they were just total idiots. I suspect the story died as it was all sorted and they came home but family court has ensured it can’t be reported on.

I’m pretty sure that medical professionals are able to work out which of the two women present has come for a scan, or an examination, or is in labour. When my DD went to appointments with her DSis, not one person got confused over who was the actual mother.

She “went into a forest to give birth in shade and privacy”. Dear God. The poor baby.

People who think they are at one with nature in 'Not understanding nature' shock!

Probably because one was the mother and one was the aunt. Obviously.

where there are two female parents it is different - there are two mothers.

Why use “birthing parent” under these circumstances rather than “birthing mother”?

Whilst sitting in the obstetrics waiting room at hospital a many years ago, a woman was sitting in the row behind me dumbfounded as someone was explaining to her, clearly for the second or third time, that she was 35 weeks pregnant and needed to tell her employer. She didn't look particularly pregnant, whereas I had a belly before conception!

The correct term is birth mother or biological mother, not birthing 'person.' If an egg donor is used then the woman giving birth is a birth mother, not biological mother (how confusing!). The birth mum's female partner will be a mum through marriage. Or maybe she has to adopt - I'm not sure how it works.

It's like when a heterosexual couple use a sperm donor. He won't be the biological father, but he'll be a father by marriage.

They personally prefer ‘birthing parent’ because they feel it gives neither of them a preferential status - they see ‘birth mother’ as classifying one of them as ‘real mum’ and one of them not, which isn’t how they want to establish their parenting. It’s their choice obviously and the fact medical professionals were already primed to use this language (where needed) was great for them. I don’t think there is a ‘correct’ term and shouldn’t be - as long as the language you’re comfortable with clearly communicates who has given birth clearly and without any room for interpretation, then it’s appropriate. In fact, from a medical perspective ‘birthing parent’ or ‘birthing person’ is far more descriptive and helpful than ‘mother’, because as you’ve rightly pointed out there are many ways to become what society calls a ‘mother’ without having given birth. Making terminology like this more widely acceptable frees up the word ‘mother’ for all those mothers who become such without giving birth which I think is a wonderful thing for inclusivity for women.

I remember when my little boy was severely jaundiced at 6 days old I was asked ‘are you mum?’, I said ‘yes’ and they then followed up with ‘and you’re the one who gave birth yeah?’. It took seconds to establish the facts required, completely routine and has nothing to do with the trans debate at all. I didn’t even clock the question at the time it was so innocuous. Then, a few hours later when the registrar was introducing me to a consultant he said ‘this is mum she’s the parent who gave birth’ and again, absolutely zero reason to be upset by that, he was just establishing a fact. I’m a straight woman by the way.

If this hadn’t become conflated with the trans debate, no one would care.

They could have saved time by just asking if you were the birth mum.