wonder what has happened to couple who freebirthed in Carribean?

[StrangerYears]

Clive and Iuliia Gurzhii were all over the news for 3 days in August, after idiotically going to give birth on a beach a long way from home.
The birth was unwitnessed and very odd circumstances.
I googled them and all I could find was a gofundme (never saw that one coming!!) - it raised GBP128 out of an ambitious target of GBP15.000.

Do you think they are still out there?

I used to be sceptical but it's a combination of certain circumstances:

(1) someone who does not usually have periods for some reason (e.g. contraception) OR who gets light spotting during the pregnancy and mistakes it for a period. OR someone whose period stops but it can be explained away as stress, training for a sport.

(2) The baby is more 'standing up' than curled into a bump.

(3) Someone with a long torso and/or muscular torso which 'holds in' a bump.

(4) small baby.

(5) placenta positioned to absorb kicks. Or kicks mistaken for indigestion.

(6) sometimes but not always - denial

It's not going to happen loads, but there are 140 million babies born every year. If it happens only 'one in a million' that's 140 people every year.

@YouCanExfilNow I'm over Ashton way, he's tried to film around some of the council buildings and share the flyers - presumably trying to find staff he thinks are responsible or to intimidate people but more likely he'll have been filming members of the public who are nothing to do with what has happened, given how busy those places are. No idea what has happened to the baby, in fact whether mum and baby even made it back to the UK?

I’m guessing the flyer was deleted as it contained phone numbers and email addresses. It would be good if someone who has one could post it again with the phone numbers etc covered up.

I wonder ifvthe mum and baby are in hiding somewhere worried that the baby will be taken into care? Or they couldn't prove it was their baby so they are still in the Caribbean? But how would they live?

I’m guessing the flyer was deleted as it contained phone numbers and email addresses.

It also had a photo of the little girl, and her name. Her face should be blanked out, if it's reposted.

I don't think you should post the child's name and photo, none of this is her fault.

The aunt left with family friends and left the eight year old in the street?? These people are batshit if they think this is painting them in a good light.

@Mrchadchad please stop sharing this poster in full, it’s been deleted once. This is a young child and this is a massive safeguarding issue that you are showing her face and details. Popping it behind a sensitive screen doesn’t make any difference.

Clive and Iullia and their story is (I will admit) fascinating, but it should be about them and their actions, not their children.

Yes "legal fraud police" does very much read like a freeman of the land guff, as does "we in line with the growing national concern, are creating local inquiries and grand JURY's" (sic)

In case the flyer is deleted again (identifying details have been removed, but the photo of the elder daughter is still unredacted), precis is that it is an appeal for information about "unlawful attempt to steal a local child" and the page with her photo is titled "missing" and captioned "has your child been targeted and taken by the local authorities?"

It's a little muddled - even though it says "emergency update 7/10/23" it reads as though it was written on/around 7 September (when police visited the aunt, who telephoned Clive - both parents still in Grenada at that point - to let him know)

(NB: newspaper story about their difficulties with the authorities re birth certificate following birth on yacht and move from St Lucia to Grenada was published mid-August. At that stage, they were awaiting DNA results which were required to establish claim to British nationality as none of the usual supporting documents required for that existed. So these events were nearly a month after that)

Some time after that, Clive had a telephone conversation with the police (confusing account provided)

On 15 September, she was "forcibly kidnapped from the arms of her dad"
(so he must have been in the country then.

Various allegations of quite strange police actions re their property and their animals, lasting over 8 days (not clear what date/s)

Refers to the father as Clive, and the contact phone number is for Chris.

Trying to pick through the way this is written, I think what happening is that she was playing outside with friends when the visit on 7 Sept happened (not clear if that was out in their garden or playing out in the street), she saw what was happening (from the street). The aunt left with other family friends, daughter "ran off" and was taken to safety (whatever that means) by another family friend. Not clear where the police were at that point.

That all led to "an unnecessary enormity of police presence"

There’s clearly been social services involvement. By going to press in summer they altered authorities to fact 8 year old had been left behind by both her parents in March.
She was in care of a relative according to press but this would need verification and checking as suitable family fostering, the girl has been abandoned for 6 months at this point.
It reads as though 7/9 there was some type of welfare check visit. Auntie doesn’t sound cooperative and child wasn’t seen as she ran off (which is concerning as she’s only 8)
Presumably she’s alerted him and Clive has then come home to deal with this leaving wife and baby in Caribbean.
15/9 the authorities have revisited and girl been taken into foster care.
Very curious re updates about baby. Last update was they needed a dna test. Why the delay? Also what income have they been living on in Caribbean.

Clive's got child abandonment down to a fine art, hasn't he?

Very Freeman of the Land type stuff.

Im assuming that Clive is in and out of the country visiting Julia and the baby who I’m guessing are still stuck wherever they are. So he Chris is a friend who can take messages.

This is a very strange tale...

So this couple live on the same street as my ex partner. They have an older daughter around 8-9 years old who they left in GB while they were out having a baby on a beach. Said child was being look after by a young relative that they brought over from the Ukraine. Long story short, social services got involved and the older child is missing and has been for months. No one knows where her or her mothers niece is.

I was just thinking about Clive and his family yesterday. I hope both children are safe.

I think I'm hidden above as there is a go fund me link.
(well done MN - nice work!)

The Gofundme was discussed on here before. It was weird. They set it up after they sold their story to the press - and anyway, people’s reactions (not just here!) were pretty negative. Despite that, there’s usually some daft buggers easily scammed. Yet it went to £128 quickly then nothing at all. I think a lot of people know a lot about them - and not in a good way. It’s interesting that the media dropped the story completely. Does suggest a total shitshow that they don’t want to get caught presenting the “poor them” side of.

I hope both the children are safe 😢

There was a poster on the previous thread who claimed to know them and that the older child was having a fabulous day out in Blackpool with her “aunt” - but I don’t think that poster is going to resurface!

It’s a very odd story indeed.

Are the couple and the baby living there now, as in have returned from the Caribbean?

Anyone know what happened to this family? I feel really sad for the kids.

I am desperate to know!

https://www.caymancompass.com/2024/07/31/human-smuggling-questions-for-british-yachters-after-brac-landing/
Is this them?

😮