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wonder what has happened to couple who freebirthed in Carribean?

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StrangerYears · 19/10/2023 03:43

Clive and Iuliia Gurzhii were all over the news for 3 days in August, after idiotically going to give birth on a beach a long way from home.
The birth was unwitnessed and very odd circumstances.
I googled them and all I could find was a gofundme (never saw that one coming!!) - it raised GBP128 out of an ambitious target of GBP15.000.

Do you think they are still out there?

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Dixiechickonhols · 03/12/2024 12:27

Toddler has been with Julia since birth and guessing from Julia’s yoga/free birth point of view has probably co slept/breastfed. Then overnight has lost her mum who was imprisoned. Is it best interests of baby to stay in orphanage in cayman and have occasional visits to mum in prison or go to uk (strange cold country totally different from all she has known) and be with family/full sibling she’s never met. Plus logistics of getting baby without a passport back to uk, also real likelihood no dna tests voluntarily done so whole is she their baby to be sorted too.
I said on another post it could be a question in a law exam it’s got everything.

Saschka · 03/12/2024 17:53

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2024 09:01

They were named in the first local news reports. Otherwise another poster is unlikely to have picked up the story on Google by searching the very unusual name.

It was only after then that the court added the restriction.

But it's very obvious it's them due to the unusual details of the case.

This is the trouble with the internet and having an unusual name and then committing a pretty heinous crime that's never previously happened in that country before. (Not his original name too - he chose to be more identifiable which is utterly bizarre given his beliefs!).

It’s very obvious it’s them because the news report that “can’t name them” is headed by photos of them from the previous sad face articles/gofundme, with the faces very slightly blurred. So clearly sticking to the letter of the law but not the spirit Grin

Saschka · 03/12/2024 18:02

SwingTheMonkey · 03/12/2024 11:10

What enormous emotional damage will have been done to the two innocent children involved in this saga, because of this pair of lunatics.

Criminals. Pair of criminals. I agree with people upthread that if Clive has been crisscrossing the Atlantic, this is likely not the first time he has smuggled people or contrabrand, and the “we’re just naive hippies” was likely a cover story for an extremely unpleasant person.

Glorybox2025 · 16/02/2025 16:21

Dixiechickonhols · 03/12/2024 12:27

Toddler has been with Julia since birth and guessing from Julia’s yoga/free birth point of view has probably co slept/breastfed. Then overnight has lost her mum who was imprisoned. Is it best interests of baby to stay in orphanage in cayman and have occasional visits to mum in prison or go to uk (strange cold country totally different from all she has known) and be with family/full sibling she’s never met. Plus logistics of getting baby without a passport back to uk, also real likelihood no dna tests voluntarily done so whole is she their baby to be sorted too.
I said on another post it could be a question in a law exam it’s got everything.

They could DNA test the two girls and determine if they are full or half siblings that way.

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 22:40

Oh good grief.

I can't believe you are still checking the story though.

Those poor children.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/08/2025 22:46

Thanks @RedToothBrush.

The first BTL comment is hilarious.🤪👾

murasaki · 12/08/2025 22:48

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/08/2025 22:46

Thanks @RedToothBrush.

The first BTL comment is hilarious.🤪👾

It's comedy gold. I recognised MOST of the words, but it made no sense whatsoever!

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 22:55

shameful typical twisted pro pagan da half truth to inverted narrative that targets whistle blowers targeting legal fraud case.
with typical masonic monopolised media added twists and avoidance of the zero evidence and set up about clive initialy knowing and exposing the new world order, “agenda 21” and “agenda 2030” depopulation with 15 minute city totalitarian intensions. also knowing the intentional slow kill vaccines the intentional harm and kill children ploys and knowing thelegal fraud upheld only by the “NAME in all CAPITALS” supporting it and the mass profitising of all empire frauds via the systems complex and covert trading cestui que vie act 1666 birth certificate fraud, Clive having primarily not comprehend fully its legal fraud implications tried to take his whole family off grid, avoiding the mrna and graphine containing vaccines via sailing islands, instead the his 1st borns passport was refused, and Elizabeth was hunted down by uk police and social workers 1st siezing their home family dogs in an attempt to sieze elizabeth their 1st child and arrested their child sitting relatives all on false accused fabricated charges,for clive to rush back and to be hunted down and arrested trying to stop elizabeth being siezed, having lost the near on war. After clives intensive investigation of the lawlessness imposed at the highest level of courts in the uk he headed back to Lulia who couldn’t sail, then tried to survive, evade the new born being taken whilst trying to symotaniasly get back to get elizabeth out of forced care and publicise it all and against this type of typical zero evidence contolled media spin.

This one?

murasaki · 12/08/2025 22:57

Indeed. A work of art.

MadeOfAllWork · 12/08/2025 23:20

Well done for spotting this. I feel for the 10 year old, abandoned like that.

JustKeepsBreathing · 12/08/2025 23:47

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 22:40

Oh good grief.

I can't believe you are still checking the story though.

Those poor children.

Am I still checking this story? OF COURSE! It’s gold - and I reckon there’s a lot more still to come out…

NewName24 · 12/08/2025 23:54

Anyone able to translate that ? Confused

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/08/2025 00:53

RedToothBrush · 12/08/2025 22:55

shameful typical twisted pro pagan da half truth to inverted narrative that targets whistle blowers targeting legal fraud case.
with typical masonic monopolised media added twists and avoidance of the zero evidence and set up about clive initialy knowing and exposing the new world order, “agenda 21” and “agenda 2030” depopulation with 15 minute city totalitarian intensions. also knowing the intentional slow kill vaccines the intentional harm and kill children ploys and knowing thelegal fraud upheld only by the “NAME in all CAPITALS” supporting it and the mass profitising of all empire frauds via the systems complex and covert trading cestui que vie act 1666 birth certificate fraud, Clive having primarily not comprehend fully its legal fraud implications tried to take his whole family off grid, avoiding the mrna and graphine containing vaccines via sailing islands, instead the his 1st borns passport was refused, and Elizabeth was hunted down by uk police and social workers 1st siezing their home family dogs in an attempt to sieze elizabeth their 1st child and arrested their child sitting relatives all on false accused fabricated charges,for clive to rush back and to be hunted down and arrested trying to stop elizabeth being siezed, having lost the near on war. After clives intensive investigation of the lawlessness imposed at the highest level of courts in the uk he headed back to Lulia who couldn’t sail, then tried to survive, evade the new born being taken whilst trying to symotaniasly get back to get elizabeth out of forced care and publicise it all and against this type of typical zero evidence contolled media spin.

This one?

That's the one.
🤣🤣🤣

Dixiechickonhols · 13/08/2025 02:32

Thanks for update. That first comment by anon Clive is gold.
Hope baby (now a toddler) made it to UK and is being safely cared for there.

Dixiechickonhols · 13/08/2025 02:32

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sashh · 13/08/2025 03:57

dhxxx · 06/09/2024 19:40

What a spectacular downfall - going from flying abroad to fulfil a free birth dream to sailing the seas trafficking people to ending up in prison and no custody of either child. What an unbelievable chain of events to avoid a hospital birth.

If it was a plot on Eastenders you would think it was too far fetched.

WiddlinDiddlin · 13/08/2025 05:31

Thats either Clive or I suspect, one of his relatives/mates - last I saw something written by Clive, whilst he writes gobbledygook his spelling is mostly ok and he doesn't use slang like 'da'.

I wonder if they ran from the UK because they were already known to SS, the existing child was already on the verge of being taken and they suspected the unborn baby would be removed.

So they fled to 'have a baby on the beach'... with Clive likely believing that if the baby were not born in britain and therefore, not british, they could eventually return here and SS would not be able to take the baby.

That went tits up - Clive had to come back here (how he got back and got out again without getting nicked I don't know) and then get back to the baby (where is he getting his cash?!) and Iulia - strapped for funds, they then take on smuggling people (I am not fully buying the 'abused and beaten up' part of that... I suspect that was the Ethiopians 'get out of jail free' card and it seems to have worked as they managed to abscond from Cayman Brac, back into the ether!).

And then they get caught on Cayman Brac having a fry up at the supermarket caff... and we are where we are now.

Glorybox2025 · 13/08/2025 05:38

NewName24 · 12/08/2025 23:54

Anyone able to translate that ? Confused

I asked ChatGPT to make it make sense and while it made it more readable, sense was not made!

MadeOfAllWork · 13/08/2025 10:29

In the comments there is the bit about having your name in capital letters. Certainly freeman of the Land territory.

GeniuneWorkOfFart · 13/08/2025 10:32

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/08/2025 00:53

That's the one.
🤣🤣🤣

Can anyone translate this into actual English?

MadeOfAllWork · 13/08/2025 10:44

This Freeman of the Land bullshit is so prevalent that councils have a page to say you still have to pay council tax.

www.west-norfolk.gov.uk/info/20117/your_council_tax_explained/1035/freeman_on_the_land_and_challenges_to_the_legality_of_council_tax

nothingcomestonothing · 13/08/2025 12:24

JustKeepsBreathing · 12/08/2025 22:35

Oh this couple’s antics are just the gift that keeps on giving …

They lost their appeal but may be out of prison soon and in the meantime that poor baby apparently still hasn’t been dna checked as theirs! And no news on who is caring for their 8 year old (guessing she’s 10/11 now?).

https://caymannewsservice.com/2025/07/mysterious-human-smuggling-conviction-sticks/#:~:text=Cayman%20News%20%7C%2022/07/,in%20a%20matter%20of%20months.

symotaniasly

Yikes.

Edited to add I didn't mean to quote a post,.fat fingers. Also Clive's a idiot.

Dixiechickonhols · 13/08/2025 14:26

I love that Norfolk link thanks for sharing. It’s every bonkers argument the council have received answered in one place.

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 13/08/2025 14:40

MadeOfAllWork · 13/08/2025 10:44

This Freeman of the Land bullshit is so prevalent that councils have a page to say you still have to pay council tax.

www.west-norfolk.gov.uk/info/20117/your_council_tax_explained/1035/freeman_on_the_land_and_challenges_to_the_legality_of_council_tax

Some of those are wonderful! How do people go so far down a rabbit hole to actually believe this.

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